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Just how hot was July? Hotter than anything on record
- AtlasBarfed 3y agoI heard an excellent quip on the Dan Le Betard radio show (which is in Miami for context) with a bunch of 20 something contributors, which kind of went like this? "Hey, Sara, did you know this was the hottest summer recorded?" "You mean the summer that in 20 years we look back on as being a nice comfortable summer?" Which brings home the reality: the global temperature is going to keep going up, no matter what. The train is moving faster and faster, and it is a biiiig train
- bgun 3y agoIt’s not the hottest summer of your life, it’s the coolest summer for the rest of your life!
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago... why is this flagged? This is the exact quote I was looking for.
- archerx 3y agoWe had a cold summer in Switzerland, I am disappointed because I was promised some heat! I got hail, rain and cold summer days instead.
- secretsatan 3y agoI'm happy it's been cooler this year, summers have been getting too warm, my flat does not keep cool well. I always liked the summer storms here though, especially if you have a good vantage point to watch them roll in.
- tetris11 3y agoI've lived in roof apartments all my life (my bedroom in my parents house was a loft conversion), but for the first time moved into an apartment on the second floor. The difference is night and day. No longer do I sweat in summer, freeze in winter, and stay up all night listening to the rain (albeit I do sometimes miss the soothing quality it had). I think roof apartments are going to get a lot less popular in the next decade
- yourusername 3y agoI think most of Europe above (and in) the alps was cool and wet this summer.
- dagw 3y agoExcept the northern parts of Sweden (and Norway?) which had a really nice summer.
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoSame for the Baltic side of Poland, though heat is rising.
- thraway54321 3y agoNorthern Sweden hasn´t really had that great a summer, colder July than normal, the far north of Norway seems to have had a good summer though.
- odiroot 3y agoSame here in South England.
- shawabawa3 3y agoJuly and August haven't been great, but June was the hottest June on record
- archerx 3y agoPeople are downvoting me for pointing out facts that I have observed that are contradicting the NPR narrative? I thought hacker news was better than this. Very disappointing.
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- throw2020201 3y agoYou had hopes for HN? This place shouldn't be taken seriously. Both the upvoting/downvoting system and the majority of users are dumb.
- secretsatan 3y agoWell, the article is about Europe, and Switzerland is one of the smaller countries in Europe, to say you're contradicting the narrative is a bit of a stretch.
- archerx 3y agoThere are other people from different parts of Europe saying they didn't have a very hot summer.
- secretsatan 3y agoI'm pretty sure you could plot them out across all of europe and with your brilliant detective skills work out which parts were cooler and which were warmer and then make an average, and plot it out over time
- lm28469 3y agoYou gave an anecdote about how you personally felt as if it was a valid counter point for scientifically measured continent wide record breaking temps Of cours HN will trash you... what did you expect
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- morsch 3y agoJuly wasn't record setting in Switzerland, but still 1-2C hotter than the long term average 1990-2020. So no, not cold. https://www.meteoschweiz.admin.ch/ueber-uns/meteoschweiz-blog/de/2023/08/juli-2023-auf-globaler-ebene.html https://www.meteoschweiz.admin.ch/ueber-uns/meteoschweiz-blo...
- dzonga 3y agowhat makes me mad - is the seasons are now so screwed up and unpredictable. that life is barely enjoyable anymore. what also sucks is the effect on 3rd world countries - which due to lack of industrialization are low polluters. but the biggest thing that makes me -- mad are the climate change deniers.
- saikia81 3y agocool heads prevail. The division is a political ploy. I understand you anger as I feel it too. Don't let the hate poison the conversation. Sadly we need patience for unity, and unity to solve this long run.
- mdekkers 3y ago> solve this long run. What “long run”
- mywittyname 3y agoWhen nature kills enough of us off that industrialized societies collapse because they lack enough people to run it. At this point, climate change denial is indistinguishable from rooting for a Mad Max existence. Even if someone is not convinced, they should still go along with changes to reduce emissions the way scientists propose because the price of being wrong is nature deciding to reduce emissions its way. And, as we are seeing, that involves a whole lot of destroying everything.
- circlefavshape 3y ago"in the long run" means "over the long term"
- mdekkers 3y agoI know what it means, I was making a statement as to the actual time available for a solution to be developed. Everyone appears to be talking about how incremental improvements over time to the hull of the Titanic will somehow stave off the immediate sinking that’s going on.
- jokethrowaway 3y agoWay colder than average in Europe, except for Spain which hit 40+ Sea temperature has also been pretty low for this time of the year
- anigbrowl 3y agoJuly has been pretty mild in California, while the rest of the US baked in misery. Geography interacts with the weather and interacts localities in different ways. The cooler temperatures and higher levels of rainfall (eg in Ireland) are also attributable to climate change, when you take things like mountain ranges and the gulf stream into account.
- lm28469 3y agoSure sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_European_heat_waves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_European_heat_waves
- archerx 3y agoI live in Europe and it has been a colder than normal summer. Two/three weeks ago kind of felt like autumn already and we got pelted with hail at the end of July. Have I just been feeling the weather wrong or something?
- gmerc 3y agoYou live “in europe” (oh wow small place), “feeling the temperature”. High quality measurement right there. https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global-temperature-records-broken https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global... It has european data too. Knock yourself out, no need to add hallucinations to the training set for HNGPT
- lm28469 3y agoBy that logic there is no war in Ukraine, I live in Europe and I haven't been shelled
- RagnarD 3y agoGiven the age of the earth - 4.543 billion years - the roughly 200 years of human recordkeeping, even assuming a true statement, makes that 4.4e-6 percent of the age of the earth. Or put another way, the record doesn't account for the other 99.99956% of earth's history. Just a reminder.
- anigbrowl 3y agoI like how you pretend not to know about the existence of ice core samples or geology. Honest people make their best arguments first, shills their worst.
- saikia81 3y agoThis is not a random sampling issue. There is a pattern over years, that any engineer can recognize.
- lm28469 3y ago"Earth used to be a molten rock so what's 5 degrees more, nothing to see here" That's how this argument sounds
- adammarples 3y agoIt's obviously not quite such a nonsense statement, 99.999% of human history is in that range, too.
- lm28469 3y ago> not quite such a nonsense statement In itself yes, maybe, but what's the point of it in the context of climate change or in the context of this discussion ? When the water reaches 100c does the frog care it was 20c when it started ? It even used to be ice cubes before we turned up the heat, what is there to fear ?
- gmerc 3y agoI’m always surprised why people make this argument. Is this argument “it’s normal and not man made?” Is the argument just normal grammar Nazis stuff, intentionally latching on to the ability to redirect context? Is the argument that earth will be fine, implicitly dismissing we should care about our species sustainability? Why oh why I wonder. “Just a reminder, “Just asking a question” and “I find this interesting”… are basically smokebombs people throw into a conversation- but why? “Just asking a question” here…
- circlefavshape 3y agoIreland had the wettest summer since records began :(
- macinjosh 3y agoThe Media: When it’s really cold , weather is not climate. When it is really hot it is definitely climate change.
- anigbrowl 3y agoFalse. When Texas was hit with an unusually cold weather event a couple years ago, causing the power grid to fail, plenty of reports highlighted this as an example of climate change. Don't be obtuse, it sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't persuade anyone.
- secretsatan 3y agoThat's very not true
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- joemazerino 3y agoActually the Earth is known to have had hotter conditions in the past through extrapolation. It just doesn't line up with the Current Thing so it's inconvenient to talk about. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11647-climate-myths-its-been-far-warmer-in-the-past-whats-the-big-deal/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11647-climate-myths-i...
- skulk 3y agoNo, it's not inconvenient at all to point out that the earth warmed in the past and mass extinctions resulted (according to the article). In fact, it's a great data point. Did you even read the article you linked, or just don't understand what a mass extinction means for humanity?
- nick-of-time 3y agoThe last time global temperatures rose anywhere near this fast, it resulted in the extinction of 90% of macroscopic species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extin...