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You'd hope mind-hackers would've explored & confirmed/refuted/quantified the effect, but stuff like this often lies underexplored for decades, despite hints lik

by gojomo 3y ago

You'd hope mind-hackers would've explored & confirmed/refuted/quantified the effect, but stuff like this often lies underexplored for decades, despite hints like this 1975 study – which actually shows the 'gradient' of clearer thinking continues in the other direction, no hand-wavy extrapolation required. It's what they found! In 1975! How long did it take for society to fully recognize, & remediate, the effects of environmental lead? How many people & orgs remain oblivious to the cognitive deficits caused by high indoor CO2 levels? I hope mind-hackers do some fresh research on this, with the advantage of 2023 levels of wealth/free-time/returns-to-improved-cognition/SCUBA-equipment. There could be some potential for positive surprise around what you're "sure" should've already been discovered.

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
Expense report: scuba regulator for "deep work" sessions.
Aerroon 3y ago
Maybe it remains underexplored because if you find a significant effect and popularize it, then the substance gets banned. The people interested in using stuff like this have an incentive to avoid scientific research on the subject. Hell, even NAC almost got banned recently.
- nradov 3y ago
  Don't be ridiculous, no one is going to ban helium.
  - Aerroon 3y ago
    They'll just make using it this way illegal and scrutinize purchases/suppliers as usual. NAC has been an over the counter supplement since the 70s and only an uproar from people a few years ago kept it unbanned by the FDA.
    - nradov 3y ago
      Nah, there's no way to do that. Helium is used for all sorts of stuff. You guys are being ridiculous.
  - gojomo 3y ago
    The delivery mechanisms for a nitrogen-free air – be they personal respiration devices or sealed environments – could be onerously regulated, or effectively banned for certain places/purposes. It can be hard to confine helium, and its presence can make some electronics malfunction: https://www.ifixit.com/News/11986/iphones-are-allergic-to-helium https://www.ifixit.com/News/11986/iphones-are-allergic-to-he... Occasional helium shortages, and the characterization of terrestrial helium as a 'non-renewable' resource, has also made it the subject of industrial policy, with the federal government maintaining a reserve whose planned privatization is controversial. Plus, there's often widespread resentment of performance-enhancers – hormones, stimulants, etc – when they are only accessible to a select few. So I'd not be so sure that, if helium proved an essential part of some novel cognitive enhancement practices, its acquisition & use would remain legally-unencumbered.
    - nradov 3y ago
      Where are you coming up with that nonsense? You can get helium from any gas supplier, confine it indefinitely in tanks, and breathe it using any pressure regulator. No one cares.
      - gojomo 3y ago
        A number of municipalities have already banned all helium balloons simply due to litter concerns. Major suppliers rationed helium sales as recently as 2022, after the Ukraine war limited supplies from Russia. Helium has often been the subject of proposed legislation for increased government management of prices or supplies, or special discounts for favored uses. Now imagine a major new use – displacing nitrogen completely, for cognitive enhancement, for an entire work day – arrives. Some can tolerate traditional pressure regulators, but others dislike their bulk/discomfort – so novel delivery strategies, with more leak/loss (like full-room environments), proliferate. Prices would be driven up for traditional (& government-favored) medical/industrial/research users. Helium leak detectors in industrial settings would face more false-alarms. Exhalation/outgassing would sometimes cause electronic malfunctions in neighboring offices/apartments. And even if almost everyone gets it right, someone somewhere will err in their processes, injuuring or even killing people. New supply regulations against this novel, & politically disfavored use, would then be a risk – even if the net performance gains still significant. As informative precedents, in the US, consumer access to pseudoephedrine, flavored cigarettes, & plastic straws has been noticeably restricted in the last decade, on flimsier rationales. It's become more difficult to acquire racetams & other nootropics in just the last few years. California is in the process of banning all gas appliances, despite a long tradition of cheap/easy access via household utility hookups. So, while I'd hope you're right that no new restrictions on helium-purchasing would arrive, your certainty seems naive, in a childlike & history-oblivious way, to how reactionary supply-control regulations often develop.
J_Shelby_J 3y ago
CO2 is a weird one. The science is pretty clear the trend exists and it’s even built into the building codes for HVAC. But some how that information never gets connected to the people that would actually be interested in maximizing cognitive ability.

by gojomo 3y ago

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

Expense report: scuba regulator for "deep work" sessions.

Aerroon 3y ago

Maybe it remains underexplored because if you find a significant effect and popularize it, then the substance gets banned. The people interested in using stuff like this have an incentive to avoid scientific research on the subject. Hell, even NAC almost got banned recently.

nradov 3y ago
Don't be ridiculous, no one is going to ban helium.
- Aerroon 3y ago
  They'll just make using it this way illegal and scrutinize purchases/suppliers as usual. NAC has been an over the counter supplement since the 70s and only an uproar from people a few years ago kept it unbanned by the FDA.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Nah, there's no way to do that. Helium is used for all sorts of stuff. You guys are being ridiculous.
- gojomo 3y ago
  The delivery mechanisms for a nitrogen-free air – be they personal respiration devices or sealed environments – could be onerously regulated, or effectively banned for certain places/purposes. It can be hard to confine helium, and its presence can make some electronics malfunction: https://www.ifixit.com/News/11986/iphones-are-allergic-to-helium https://www.ifixit.com/News/11986/iphones-are-allergic-to-he... Occasional helium shortages, and the characterization of terrestrial helium as a 'non-renewable' resource, has also made it the subject of industrial policy, with the federal government maintaining a reserve whose planned privatization is controversial. Plus, there's often widespread resentment of performance-enhancers – hormones, stimulants, etc – when they are only accessible to a select few. So I'd not be so sure that, if helium proved an essential part of some novel cognitive enhancement practices, its acquisition & use would remain legally-unencumbered.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Where are you coming up with that nonsense? You can get helium from any gas supplier, confine it indefinitely in tanks, and breathe it using any pressure regulator. No one cares.
    - gojomo 3y ago
      A number of municipalities have already banned all helium balloons simply due to litter concerns. Major suppliers rationed helium sales as recently as 2022, after the Ukraine war limited supplies from Russia. Helium has often been the subject of proposed legislation for increased government management of prices or supplies, or special discounts for favored uses. Now imagine a major new use – displacing nitrogen completely, for cognitive enhancement, for an entire work day – arrives. Some can tolerate traditional pressure regulators, but others dislike their bulk/discomfort – so novel delivery strategies, with more leak/loss (like full-room environments), proliferate. Prices would be driven up for traditional (& government-favored) medical/industrial/research users. Helium leak detectors in industrial settings would face more false-alarms. Exhalation/outgassing would sometimes cause electronic malfunctions in neighboring offices/apartments. And even if almost everyone gets it right, someone somewhere will err in their processes, injuuring or even killing people. New supply regulations against this novel, & politically disfavored use, would then be a risk – even if the net performance gains still significant. As informative precedents, in the US, consumer access to pseudoephedrine, flavored cigarettes, & plastic straws has been noticeably restricted in the last decade, on flimsier rationales. It's become more difficult to acquire racetams & other nootropics in just the last few years. California is in the process of banning all gas appliances, despite a long tradition of cheap/easy access via household utility hookups. So, while I'd hope you're right that no new restrictions on helium-purchasing would arrive, your certainty seems naive, in a childlike & history-oblivious way, to how reactionary supply-control regulations often develop.

J_Shelby_J 3y ago

CO2 is a weird one. The science is pretty clear the trend exists and it’s even built into the building codes for HVAC. But some how that information never gets connected to the people that would actually be interested in maximizing cognitive ability.