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"I've always wanted to move to a tropical paradise, but I'm giving up because I'd have to move to a single family instead of a 5-over-1 apartment complex." Sai

by Aunche 3y ago

"I've always wanted to move to a tropical paradise, but I'm giving up because I'd have to move to a single family instead of a 5-over-1 apartment complex." Said no one ever.

nwienert 3y ago
It’s telling you seem to have no consideration for what locals want, but instead only consider the pov of the outsider who feels they have some right to live there for cheap. By the way, the more you develop it, the less tropical it is.
- Aunche 3y ago
  If they don't want outsiders driving demand for local housing, than the should focus their efforts on being hostile to outsiders. Attacking developers that are helping to soak up that demand is just going to make housing even less affordable.
  - nwienert 3y ago
    Attacking developers is being hostile to outsiders, exactly.
    - Aunche 3y ago
      Then they need to accept that housing prices will rise because of this. It's as simple as that.
      - nwienert 3y ago
        Agree. Or add more protections, though there aren't that many natives by number and they already have protected land.
fragmede 3y ago
What, and sit on a beach, have sand everywhere all the time, have to live with grody feet, in an uncomfortable hot, probably humid climate, and have almost nonexistent night life and go to sleep at sundown? No thanks. You may not want to, but you don't speak for everyone. In particular, the 5-over-1 means that there's a business, maybe a cute cafe, or a little market you can access without having to drive a car. Hell, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124015 is on the front page right now arguing how bad driving is for your mental health. Some people can't drive, for various reasons (eg the elderly with poor eyesight), and would have a lower quality of life living in a single family home. So please appreciate that while you may never say that, it's entirely your perogative, but yes, said plenty of people.
- Aunche 3y ago
  I struggle to see how you're interpreting this comment on an attack on 5-over-1s. My point is that the type of person who wants to move to Hawaii is prioritizing its climate and beaches more than any urbanism or lack thereof, so opposing new condo development there won't make it any cheaper. I live in NYC, and I cheer for the luxury property development because that means fewer people will compete for my walk-up.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    I must have misread it then, my apologies.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    The converse is definitely true: people move from Hawaii to the mainland USA all the time because they can't handle the costs and want to live in a SFH (or some other luxury they had to forgo for island life).

by Aunche 3y ago

"I've always wanted to move to a tropical paradise, but I'm giving up because I'd have to move to a single family instead of a 5-over-1 apartment complex." Said no one ever.

nwienert 3y ago

It’s telling you seem to have no consideration for what locals want, but instead only consider the pov of the outsider who feels they have some right to live there for cheap. By the way, the more you develop it, the less tropical it is.

Aunche 3y ago
If they don't want outsiders driving demand for local housing, than the should focus their efforts on being hostile to outsiders. Attacking developers that are helping to soak up that demand is just going to make housing even less affordable.
- nwienert 3y ago
  Attacking developers is being hostile to outsiders, exactly.
  - Aunche 3y ago
    Then they need to accept that housing prices will rise because of this. It's as simple as that.
    - nwienert 3y ago
      Agree. Or add more protections, though there aren't that many natives by number and they already have protected land.

fragmede 3y ago

What, and sit on a beach, have sand everywhere all the time, have to live with grody feet, in an uncomfortable hot, probably humid climate, and have almost nonexistent night life and go to sleep at sundown? No thanks. You may not want to, but you don't speak for everyone. In particular, the 5-over-1 means that there's a business, maybe a cute cafe, or a little market you can access without having to drive a car. Hell, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124015 is on the front page right now arguing how bad driving is for your mental health. Some people can't drive, for various reasons (eg the elderly with poor eyesight), and would have a lower quality of life living in a single family home. So please appreciate that while you may never say that, it's entirely your perogative, but yes, said plenty of people.

Aunche 3y ago
I struggle to see how you're interpreting this comment on an attack on 5-over-1s. My point is that the type of person who wants to move to Hawaii is prioritizing its climate and beaches more than any urbanism or lack thereof, so opposing new condo development there won't make it any cheaper. I live in NYC, and I cheer for the luxury property development because that means fewer people will compete for my walk-up.
- fragmede 3y ago
  I must have misread it then, my apologies.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  The converse is definitely true: people move from Hawaii to the mainland USA all the time because they can't handle the costs and want to live in a SFH (or some other luxury they had to forgo for island life).