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Intelligence is an emergent property of matter. A bag of rice is matter. Therefore, intelligence can arise by stirring a bag of rice. See the problem with this

Intelligence is an emergent property of matter. A bag of rice is matter. Therefore, intelligence can arise by stirring a bag of rice. See the problem with this statement? There is as of yet no hard reason to believe AGI can arise from token-predicting neural networks.

vouaobrasil 3y ago
Even if AGI cannot arise from neural networks, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that AI as it is (even if stupid as a rock) can still cause significant damage due to its current and likely future capabilities.
- bootsmann 3y ago
  I’d say that we should consider that this technology is currently saving lives (by aiding drug discovery for instance) and banning it due to potential, unproven unknown future capabilities is much more harmful.
  - vouaobrasil 3y ago
    That's a rather short-sighted and myopic way of thinking. It's like saying that ambulances have saved lives so we should have built cars. But look at all the people who die from pollution. AI has the capability to kill a lot more people (what about all the suicides that will result from people losing their jobs?). Saving lives immediately appeals to emotion, but logically, one must also weigh the costs.
    - bootsmann 3y ago
      Pollution is real, AGI isn’t. Even in your toy example the existence of cars has been a net good for humanity, this isn’t even a debate.
    - vouaobrasil 3y ago
      @bootsmann (since I can't reply further) - I absolutely disagree that cars have been a net benefit to humanity.
logicchains 3y ago
>There is as of yet no hard reason to believe AGI can arise from token-predicting neural networks Yes there is. Sufficiently large neural networks have been mathematically proven to be capable of approximating any function, any any definition of intelligence we have can be represented as a function of some sort.

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Intelligence is an emergent property of matter. A bag of rice is matter. Therefore, intelligence can arise by stirring a bag of rice. See the problem with this

by andrepd 3y ago

vouaobrasil 3y ago
Even if AGI cannot arise from neural networks, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that AI as it is (even if stupid as a rock) can still cause significant damage due to its current and likely future capabilities.
- bootsmann 3y ago
  I’d say that we should consider that this technology is currently saving lives (by aiding drug discovery for instance) and banning it due to potential, unproven unknown future capabilities is much more harmful.
  - vouaobrasil 3y ago
    That's a rather short-sighted and myopic way of thinking. It's like saying that ambulances have saved lives so we should have built cars. But look at all the people who die from pollution. AI has the capability to kill a lot more people (what about all the suicides that will result from people losing their jobs?). Saving lives immediately appeals to emotion, but logically, one must also weigh the costs.
    - bootsmann 3y ago
      Pollution is real, AGI isn’t. Even in your toy example the existence of cars has been a net good for humanity, this isn’t even a debate.
    - vouaobrasil 3y ago
      @bootsmann (since I can't reply further) - I absolutely disagree that cars have been a net benefit to humanity.
logicchains 3y ago
>There is as of yet no hard reason to believe AGI can arise from token-predicting neural networks Yes there is. Sufficiently large neural networks have been mathematically proven to be capable of approximating any function, any any definition of intelligence we have can be represented as a function of some sort.