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I'm a bit confused by the "still". How often would you expect to upgrade hardware? Keeping a computer for three years is completely normal for most people.

edu 3y ago
True… here I’m going wondering if it’s time to upgrade my 2017 MacBook Pro because a couple of keys started to fail and I’m having a hard time…
- bombolo 3y ago
  A thinkpad keyboard replacement cost ~50$ last time I needed it (and I thought it was unreasonably expensive).
- aktuel 3y ago
  I am using my Dell XPS 13 now for almost ten years. Still works perfectly.
  - melling 3y ago
    I have a 10 year old MacBook Pro that works perfectly too. Unfortunately, Apple doesn’t allow OS upgrades. I’ll probably get an M3 and use it for 8-10 years.
    - shujito 3y ago
      Ever tried OCLP [1]? It allows for patched MacOS installs on officially unsupported Apple hardware. [1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - psd1 3y ago
      Thinkpad x220 checking in, still rocking my Sandy Lake and still enjoying a real keyboard. It's about 12 now. Other laptops have come and gone. I couldn't live with my macbook m1. I hated the keyboard and the desktop - why is there no delete key, pray? UTM crashed a lot. Asahi was lovely but I just didn't like touching the hardware.
      - camgunz 3y ago
        I got my M1 Max MBP 14" at the end of 2021 (so almost 2 years ago now) and my previous machine was an X220. The main reasons I switched were: - I was a consultant/contractor, and sometimes you have to run software you really don't want to (Citrix, Teams). You can kind of do this on Linux w/ emulation, but on an older machine it's painful. - Can't drive a 4k monitor at 60fps - 1366x768 is hard to webdev on I also had a multi-machine setup so like, a Chromebook for being spied on, a Windows machine for gaming, and an air-gapped Windows machine for music production. My partner and I had decided to move abroad and it felt like a little much to bring 4 laptops over, so I reluctantly consolidated. In truth the only thing I really gave up was acquiescing to being spied on, but at this point that's more because I haven't set up a pi-hole (etc.) than anything. I do miss (Arch) Linux, and obviously the X220 input system is unparalleled, but I'll say that I'm pretty accustomed to the MBP input system now (I learned Fn-Delete is actual delete, which actually improved my life significantly). I probably lost ~30WPM (I'm around 100-150WPM on a good keyboard) and it's definitely a worse ergonomic experience to have to leave home row to use the trackpad (you're telling me you want me to stretch my ulnar nerve even more?). There are other niceties. My partner can airdrop me things. I can load truly ridiculous Excel spreadsheets. I can move my music production onto it. I can stream both an Snes9x emulator window and a webcam grab through OBS to game w/ my brother in the states. Glossy screens on laptops don't make any sense to me though. The argument is you get better color reproduction, but there are great matte screens that do that (I have a 32" matte display with 100% AdobeRGB that proves it), and besides that, I bet if the difference matters to you you've got a high performance glossy screen on your desk in an office with controlled lighting. Laptops go places! Sometimes they're sunny! Matte screens please!
- GhostWhisperer 3y ago
  you're changing architecture, and memory and storage speed in one go; i think you're going to like it
- lawgimenez 3y ago
  This year I upgraded from MBP 2015 to M2. I am still bothered by the notch on the M2.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    I use a completely black background, I forget the notch exists plus I save a bit of battery.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      This is the way, or have an external monitor as your main monitor. Or have four external monitors; the reason I had to wait for the M1 Pro.
NooneAtAll3 3y ago
it's Apple customer we're talking here...
tomr75 3y ago
I upgrade every 2-3 years. Although current device is first macbook so maybe i'll break that (+ an M1)
- StackOverlord 3y ago
  I upgrade my macbook once per decade. I changed the battery, the ssd and the bluetooth card about 6 month ago (8 years into owning my second macbook). I need to change the screen (1 cm black strip on the left because of a shock) and the speakers are broken. Anyone has a tip for replacing the screen cheaply ? I spotted some going for 30$ on Aliexpress, it looked like the seller had a rather important stock.
rejectfinite 3y ago
True, I am using my 2014 desktop and my work PC is from 2020. Totally normal...
rickette 3y ago
So true, 4-5 years seems reasonable to me, 3 years isn't much
anonyfox 3y ago
Lower-end consumer laptops (think: Acer, Asus, ...) tend to fall apart after a year, this is what I was starting out with in university being rather poor. Now its more like: the current device has zero issues, but the newer available models look increasingly tempting for my inner child to play with. Also I owe my career, salary and life situation basically to open source (so I donate regularly) and ... apple computers that work flawlessly in many situations other laptops would be dead already or require me to tinker with stuff instead of doing billable things.

edu 3y ago

True… here I’m going wondering if it’s time to upgrade my 2017 MacBook Pro because a couple of keys started to fail and I’m having a hard time…

bombolo 3y ago
A thinkpad keyboard replacement cost ~50$ last time I needed it (and I thought it was unreasonably expensive).
aktuel 3y ago
I am using my Dell XPS 13 now for almost ten years. Still works perfectly.
- melling 3y ago
  I have a 10 year old MacBook Pro that works perfectly too. Unfortunately, Apple doesn’t allow OS upgrades. I’ll probably get an M3 and use it for 8-10 years.
  - shujito 3y ago
    Ever tried OCLP [1]? It allows for patched MacOS installs on officially unsupported Apple hardware. [1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - psd1 3y ago
    Thinkpad x220 checking in, still rocking my Sandy Lake and still enjoying a real keyboard. It's about 12 now. Other laptops have come and gone. I couldn't live with my macbook m1. I hated the keyboard and the desktop - why is there no delete key, pray? UTM crashed a lot. Asahi was lovely but I just didn't like touching the hardware.
    - camgunz 3y ago
      I got my M1 Max MBP 14" at the end of 2021 (so almost 2 years ago now) and my previous machine was an X220. The main reasons I switched were: - I was a consultant/contractor, and sometimes you have to run software you really don't want to (Citrix, Teams). You can kind of do this on Linux w/ emulation, but on an older machine it's painful. - Can't drive a 4k monitor at 60fps - 1366x768 is hard to webdev on I also had a multi-machine setup so like, a Chromebook for being spied on, a Windows machine for gaming, and an air-gapped Windows machine for music production. My partner and I had decided to move abroad and it felt like a little much to bring 4 laptops over, so I reluctantly consolidated. In truth the only thing I really gave up was acquiescing to being spied on, but at this point that's more because I haven't set up a pi-hole (etc.) than anything. I do miss (Arch) Linux, and obviously the X220 input system is unparalleled, but I'll say that I'm pretty accustomed to the MBP input system now (I learned Fn-Delete is actual delete, which actually improved my life significantly). I probably lost ~30WPM (I'm around 100-150WPM on a good keyboard) and it's definitely a worse ergonomic experience to have to leave home row to use the trackpad (you're telling me you want me to stretch my ulnar nerve even more?). There are other niceties. My partner can airdrop me things. I can load truly ridiculous Excel spreadsheets. I can move my music production onto it. I can stream both an Snes9x emulator window and a webcam grab through OBS to game w/ my brother in the states. Glossy screens on laptops don't make any sense to me though. The argument is you get better color reproduction, but there are great matte screens that do that (I have a 32" matte display with 100% AdobeRGB that proves it), and besides that, I bet if the difference matters to you you've got a high performance glossy screen on your desk in an office with controlled lighting. Laptops go places! Sometimes they're sunny! Matte screens please!
GhostWhisperer 3y ago
you're changing architecture, and memory and storage speed in one go; i think you're going to like it
lawgimenez 3y ago
This year I upgraded from MBP 2015 to M2. I am still bothered by the notch on the M2.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  I use a completely black background, I forget the notch exists plus I save a bit of battery.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    This is the way, or have an external monitor as your main monitor. Or have four external monitors; the reason I had to wait for the M1 Pro.

NooneAtAll3 3y ago

it's Apple customer we're talking here...

tomr75 3y ago

I upgrade every 2-3 years. Although current device is first macbook so maybe i'll break that (+ an M1)

StackOverlord 3y ago
I upgrade my macbook once per decade. I changed the battery, the ssd and the bluetooth card about 6 month ago (8 years into owning my second macbook). I need to change the screen (1 cm black strip on the left because of a shock) and the speakers are broken. Anyone has a tip for replacing the screen cheaply ? I spotted some going for 30$ on Aliexpress, it looked like the seller had a rather important stock.

rejectfinite 3y ago

True, I am using my 2014 desktop and my work PC is from 2020. Totally normal...

rickette 3y ago

So true, 4-5 years seems reasonable to me, 3 years isn't much

anonyfox 3y ago

Lower-end consumer laptops (think: Acer, Asus, ...) tend to fall apart after a year, this is what I was starting out with in university being rather poor. Now its more like: the current device has zero issues, but the newer available models look increasingly tempting for my inner child to play with. Also I owe my career, salary and life situation basically to open source (so I donate regularly) and ... apple computers that work flawlessly in many situations other laptops would be dead already or require me to tinker with stuff instead of doing billable things.