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Project Veritas is a fringe extremist propaganda outfit which has directly participated in multiple criminal conspiracies, and has never produced anything even

Project Veritas is a fringe extremist propaganda outfit which has directly participated in multiple criminal conspiracies, and has never produced anything even vaguely resembling journalism. Totally different kind of situation.

hellgas00 3y ago
This is a joke of a comment, expose journalism isn't extremist propaganda just because you disagree with their findings. You show signs of radicalist totalitarian thinking for wanting to ban journalist outlets. Thankfully the authors of the Constitution saw it fit to safe guard against tyrants like yourself with the 1st amendment.
pstuart 3y ago
In the case cited, they're allegedly in possession of stolen material with the sole value being to smear the family of Joe Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-diary-project-veritas-guilty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-... Heavy handed but no pity in this case, these people are vile and discredit the honor of real journalists. It's one thing to be passionate about one's beliefs and act on them, but lying and actively distorting the truth to for the sole intention of character assassination to win over the voters is slimy.
- smsm42 3y ago
  If it's bad for their party, it's the right of the public to know. If it's bad for our party, it's vile smear. If our people discover bad things about their people, it's heroic fight for truth which would die in darkness. If their people discover bad things about our people, it's vile and discredits the honor of journalists, and had to be suppressed, laws be damned. If one lies for the good cause (to let good people win), it's heroic. If one lies for he deplorable cause (to let bad people win) it's slimy.
  - knewter 3y ago
    I rarely see such a succinct explanation of postmodernist morality
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  - pstuart 3y ago
    What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country. As this is about the Biden family, it's generally agreed that if crimes occurred they should be investigated and tried. The key problem is that the detractors don't care about any crimes, they only seem to care that their political enemies are destroyed. tl,dr: the fomented outrage is purely political theater. Project Veritas is not a journalist endeavor -- it's a political black-ops organization that operates in bad faith.
    - hellgas00 3y ago
      Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.
    - smsm42 3y ago
      People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.
GloomyBoots 3y ago
> fringe extremist It’s socially conservative. Why the hyperbolic language? It’s only “extreme” when juxtaposed with the political expressions of “polite society”, not America at large, which skews conservative on social issues. > propaganda Everything is propaganda, as everything is political. We just call things propaganda when it’s the kind we disagree with. > directly participated in multiple criminal conspiracies I’m sure the police in this town would say the same of the newspaper in question. > never produced anything even vaguely resembling journalism Well that’s not true on its face. I find a lot of it cringy, but even when I find that they don’t merit the conclusions that PV comes to (which is quite often), they are quite transparent.
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smsm42 3y ago
It's OK if people we dislike are victims of law enforcement overreach, because they are bad people and deserve it. It'd never happen to good people, like us and people we like, so no reason to worry.
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hellgas00 3y ago

This is a joke of a comment, expose journalism isn't extremist propaganda just because you disagree with their findings. You show signs of radicalist totalitarian thinking for wanting to ban journalist outlets. Thankfully the authors of the Constitution saw it fit to safe guard against tyrants like yourself with the 1st amendment.

pstuart 3y ago

In the case cited, they're allegedly in possession of stolen material with the sole value being to smear the family of Joe Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-diary-project-veritas-guilty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-... Heavy handed but no pity in this case, these people are vile and discredit the honor of real journalists. It's one thing to be passionate about one's beliefs and act on them, but lying and actively distorting the truth to for the sole intention of character assassination to win over the voters is slimy.

smsm42 3y ago
If it's bad for their party, it's the right of the public to know. If it's bad for our party, it's vile smear. If our people discover bad things about their people, it's heroic fight for truth which would die in darkness. If their people discover bad things about our people, it's vile and discredits the honor of journalists, and had to be suppressed, laws be damned. If one lies for the good cause (to let good people win), it's heroic. If one lies for he deplorable cause (to let bad people win) it's slimy.
- knewter 3y ago
  I rarely see such a succinct explanation of postmodernist morality
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- pstuart 3y ago
  What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country. As this is about the Biden family, it's generally agreed that if crimes occurred they should be investigated and tried. The key problem is that the detractors don't care about any crimes, they only seem to care that their political enemies are destroyed. tl,dr: the fomented outrage is purely political theater. Project Veritas is not a journalist endeavor -- it's a political black-ops organization that operates in bad faith.
  - hellgas00 3y ago
    Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.
  - smsm42 3y ago
    People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.

GloomyBoots 3y ago

> fringe extremist It’s socially conservative. Why the hyperbolic language? It’s only “extreme” when juxtaposed with the political expressions of “polite society”, not America at large, which skews conservative on social issues. > propaganda Everything is propaganda, as everything is political. We just call things propaganda when it’s the kind we disagree with. > directly participated in multiple criminal conspiracies I’m sure the police in this town would say the same of the newspaper in question. > never produced anything even vaguely resembling journalism Well that’s not true on its face. I find a lot of it cringy, but even when I find that they don’t merit the conclusions that PV comes to (which is quite often), they are quite transparent.

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smsm42 3y ago

It's OK if people we dislike are victims of law enforcement overreach, because they are bad people and deserve it. It'd never happen to good people, like us and people we like, so no reason to worry.

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