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Yeah, this is one of those problems that leadership just ignores and passes to the next person. "Reports of sewage leaking over the border into the San Diego r

by Reptur 3y ago

Yeah, this is one of those problems that leadership just ignores and passes to the next person. "Reports of sewage leaking over the border into the San Diego region stretch back at least to the 1930s. Significant improvements were made in the 1990s, but Tijuana's wastewater facilities haven't kept pace with growth while many poorer communities remain unconnected to the city's sewer system." https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-25/tijuana-sewage-closed-san-diegos-beaches-record-pace https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-25/tijuana-...

Solvency 3y ago
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- melling 3y ago
  Yep, illegal/legal immigration can cost elections. It’s also a very tiring topic. Perhaps we should address the problem rather than leave the current mess in place thus removing it from politics? Kind of strange that people bought into the idea of a big wall but politicians will run on whatever gets them votes. Democrats say immigration is no big deal but complain they need funding. https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-migrant-shelters-port-authority-migrants-budget-crisis/13622313/ https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-migrant-shelters-port-authority-m... In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration
  - goodbyesf 3y ago
    > In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration In a country of 330 million people, it's hard to envision us having labor shortages. Do we really have labor shortages or a low wage problem? Also, both legal and illegal immigration addresses labor shortages, if indeed such a thing exists.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      We have a shortage of people willing to work for terrible wages and no benefits.
      - WirelessGigabit 3y ago
        But unemployment is at an all time low!!! /s We've got people purposefully kept at hours less than the amount of hours a company is legally required to provide benefits.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        It isn't just that: we have a shortage of well paid people in the trades, which exacerbates our housing shortage as, even if the land and materials were free, it now still costs $2-300k to put up a modern home. The solution is probably just prefab from a factory in Mexico, but I don't see that as better than just letting in more immigrants.
        sublinear 3y ago
        > even if the land and materials were free, it now still costs $2-300k to put up a modern home Where do you live that the legal labor costs that much and how big or bespoke of a house are we talking? You can build a new home for 300k in a lot of places with the land included.
        ethbr1 3y ago
        Median price in the US as of 2019 was $281,700: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/mortgages/how-much-does-it-cost-to-build-a-house https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/mortgages/how-much-does-i... That's probably for something around 2,000 sq ft (~185 sq m). Forbes has a handy breakdown by state: https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/contractor/cost-to-build-a-house/ https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/contractor/cost-to-b...
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  - rayiner 3y ago
    > In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration The US has over 300 million people. Surely the problem is employers not paying enough money, than a shortage of workers.
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      Are those 300 million out of a job? If not you are moving the problem around, not solving it.
    - mantas 3y ago
      More people -> more consumption -> more workforce needed ad infinitum Or maybe technical innovation is needed to raise productivity? Maybe some services shouldn’t exist if people won’t pay for them enough to make them viable without cheap labour?
- martin1975 3y ago
  Democrats don't mind sewage spilling into the USA? Which do you think is easier to clean up, 50M illegals or border sewage leaks?
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    50 million is the same amount that the US has displaced in its reply to 9/11. Seems perfectly fine to me that it should take them in with open arms and open purses.
    - martin1975 3y ago
      Send us a photo of your illegal alien that you allowed to move in with you please.
- CameronNemo 3y ago
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  - dfee 3y ago
    Wow. What a ridiculous comment. Lived in SD for 3y, and know plenty of folks who’d consider themselves Republican in that city. I’m also from more red Oklahoma / Texas, but live in probably the most blue county in the country now. I don’t think anyone “wants the sewage spills to continue” even if they could “point to the SD-Tijuana metro as liberal-immigrant failure.” I don’t think immigration is even a part of this. It’s literally runoff in a border city (TJ) that affects the other border city’s health (SD). Your comment wasn’t productive. Do better!
    - CameronNemo 3y ago
      I lived in SD for 3 years too. And worked on congressional campaigns. Consider their congressional reps (all Democrats): * Scott Peters, CA-50; +14% * Sara Jacobs, CA-51; +12% * Juan Vargas, CA-52; +18% I don’t think anyone “wants the sewage spills to continue” even if they could “point to the SD-Tijuana metro as liberal-immigrant failure.” Do you know who Tucker Carlson is and how he gets attention?
    - foogazi 3y ago
      > Lived in SD for 3y, and know plenty of folks who’d consider themselves Republican in that city. Can’t you say this about every city ?
      - dfee 3y ago
        No, I’ve only been around the sun enough times to say about a handful of cities. ;) The inference to draw from that statement is that it’s not an externality for Republicans in SD (ie they exist), so the idea they’d want the situation to stay bad or get worse is fairly easy to consider before posting a ridiculous, baiting comment.
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- User23 3y ago
  This is nothing new. Mexican raw sewage is why property in imperial beach is considerably less expensive than points north.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    Coronado seems to be doing fine - I think it’s more about Imperial Beach and San Ysidro being close to the border than the sewage
    - User23 3y ago
      That’s because the Tijuana river delta is in IB and not Coronado. Sadly the TJ river periodically becomes an open sewer.
- js2 3y ago
  The nativist constituency of the GOP is a relatively recent development in the last couple decades. If you watch the Reagan/Bush debate they are falling over each other to demonstrate who is more pro-immigrant. Imagine the GOP offering amnesty to nearly 3 million undocumented immigrants today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control...
  - Solvency 3y ago
    So who (and why) did it start recently?
    - hyperliner 3y ago
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    - local_issues 3y ago
      Massive uptick in illegal migration after the Northern Triangle fell apart
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Because it works to rile up the base. Often the last resort for politicians around the world when failing in the poles. Examples can be cited upon request.
- mulmen 3y ago
  It’s like they don’t actually care about border security and only use that as cover for their actual agenda.
  - decremental 3y ago
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Solvency 3y ago

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melling 3y ago
Yep, illegal/legal immigration can cost elections. It’s also a very tiring topic. Perhaps we should address the problem rather than leave the current mess in place thus removing it from politics? Kind of strange that people bought into the idea of a big wall but politicians will run on whatever gets them votes. Democrats say immigration is no big deal but complain they need funding. https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-migrant-shelters-port-authority-migrants-budget-crisis/13622313/ https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-migrant-shelters-port-authority-m... In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration
- goodbyesf 3y ago
  > In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration In a country of 330 million people, it's hard to envision us having labor shortages. Do we really have labor shortages or a low wage problem? Also, both legal and illegal immigration addresses labor shortages, if indeed such a thing exists.
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    We have a shortage of people willing to work for terrible wages and no benefits.
    - WirelessGigabit 3y ago
      But unemployment is at an all time low!!! /s We've got people purposefully kept at hours less than the amount of hours a company is legally required to provide benefits.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      It isn't just that: we have a shortage of well paid people in the trades, which exacerbates our housing shortage as, even if the land and materials were free, it now still costs $2-300k to put up a modern home. The solution is probably just prefab from a factory in Mexico, but I don't see that as better than just letting in more immigrants.
      - sublinear 3y ago
        > even if the land and materials were free, it now still costs $2-300k to put up a modern home Where do you live that the legal labor costs that much and how big or bespoke of a house are we talking? You can build a new home for 300k in a lot of places with the land included.
        ethbr1 3y ago
        Median price in the US as of 2019 was $281,700: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/mortgages/how-much-does-it-cost-to-build-a-house https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/mortgages/how-much-does-i... That's probably for something around 2,000 sq ft (~185 sq m). Forbes has a handy breakdown by state: https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/contractor/cost-to-build-a-house/ https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/contractor/cost-to-b...
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
- rayiner 3y ago
  > In the meantime, we have labor shortages that could certainly be addressed by more legal immigration The US has over 300 million people. Surely the problem is employers not paying enough money, than a shortage of workers.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    Are those 300 million out of a job? If not you are moving the problem around, not solving it.
  - mantas 3y ago
    More people -> more consumption -> more workforce needed ad infinitum Or maybe technical innovation is needed to raise productivity? Maybe some services shouldn’t exist if people won’t pay for them enough to make them viable without cheap labour?
martin1975 3y ago
Democrats don't mind sewage spilling into the USA? Which do you think is easier to clean up, 50M illegals or border sewage leaks?
- Dah00n 3y ago
  50 million is the same amount that the US has displaced in its reply to 9/11. Seems perfectly fine to me that it should take them in with open arms and open purses.
  - martin1975 3y ago
    Send us a photo of your illegal alien that you allowed to move in with you please.
CameronNemo 3y ago
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- dfee 3y ago
  Wow. What a ridiculous comment. Lived in SD for 3y, and know plenty of folks who’d consider themselves Republican in that city. I’m also from more red Oklahoma / Texas, but live in probably the most blue county in the country now. I don’t think anyone “wants the sewage spills to continue” even if they could “point to the SD-Tijuana metro as liberal-immigrant failure.” I don’t think immigration is even a part of this. It’s literally runoff in a border city (TJ) that affects the other border city’s health (SD). Your comment wasn’t productive. Do better!
  - CameronNemo 3y ago
    I lived in SD for 3 years too. And worked on congressional campaigns. Consider their congressional reps (all Democrats): * Scott Peters, CA-50; +14% * Sara Jacobs, CA-51; +12% * Juan Vargas, CA-52; +18% I don’t think anyone “wants the sewage spills to continue” even if they could “point to the SD-Tijuana metro as liberal-immigrant failure.” Do you know who Tucker Carlson is and how he gets attention?
  - foogazi 3y ago
    > Lived in SD for 3y, and know plenty of folks who’d consider themselves Republican in that city. Can’t you say this about every city ?
    - dfee 3y ago
      No, I’ve only been around the sun enough times to say about a handful of cities. ;) The inference to draw from that statement is that it’s not an externality for Republicans in SD (ie they exist), so the idea they’d want the situation to stay bad or get worse is fairly easy to consider before posting a ridiculous, baiting comment.
      - deleted 3y ago
User23 3y ago
This is nothing new. Mexican raw sewage is why property in imperial beach is considerably less expensive than points north.
- foogazi 3y ago
  Coronado seems to be doing fine - I think it’s more about Imperial Beach and San Ysidro being close to the border than the sewage
  - User23 3y ago
    That’s because the Tijuana river delta is in IB and not Coronado. Sadly the TJ river periodically becomes an open sewer.
js2 3y ago
The nativist constituency of the GOP is a relatively recent development in the last couple decades. If you watch the Reagan/Bush debate they are falling over each other to demonstrate who is more pro-immigrant. Imagine the GOP offering amnesty to nearly 3 million undocumented immigrants today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control...
- Solvency 3y ago
  So who (and why) did it start recently?
  - hyperliner 3y ago
    [dead]
  - local_issues 3y ago
    Massive uptick in illegal migration after the Northern Triangle fell apart
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Because it works to rile up the base. Often the last resort for politicians around the world when failing in the poles. Examples can be cited upon request.
mulmen 3y ago
It’s like they don’t actually care about border security and only use that as cover for their actual agenda.
- decremental 3y ago
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