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Not only was this newspaper reporting on a restaurant owners DUI, it was investigating sexual misconduct by the former police chief!!! This is truly heinous cop

Not only was this newspaper reporting on a restaurant owners DUI, it was investigating sexual misconduct by the former police chief!!! This is truly heinous cop-on-a-power-trip shit. We really need to curtail the so called justice system in this country…

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
It's funny how different people can read this and come to different conclusions. When I read this, I think that the system works. The fourth estate (the press) was doing their job and will now bring more scrutiny and possible legal consequences to the police chief.
- krisoft 3y ago
  > I think that the system works. How is the system working when clearly the newspaper is in a desperate search now for equipment to be able to stay in business after theirs got taken by the police? Don’t you think that is somewhat chilling of free speech? What would be evidence of the system not working in your opinion? The editor washing up with a bullet in their head? All the journalist sentenced to 20 years of hard labour on the private farm of the police chief? The system is clearly not working.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    > What would be evidence of the system not working in your opinion? The fact we can read about this is evidence that it is working. Evidence that it is not working would be hard to come by because we wouldn't be able to read about it!
    - twirlip 3y ago
      In the age of ubiquitous information sharing, the news of cops raiding a newspaper office is rather not a signal the system is working, than it is a klaxon that the system is failing.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Alright. Please show me a system that works to your standards then.
        twirlip 3y ago
        There are metrics that describe such standards. One such is the University of Würzburg's Democracy Matrix, another is the Corruption Perception Index.
    - 1shooner 3y ago
      >The fact we can read about this is evidence that it is working. This is like saying we've cured cancer because you got a biopsy.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        We are talking about accountability, not cancer.
        mindslight 3y ago
        Accountability would necessarily include this armed gang that committed numerous violent crimes being treated like an armed gang that committed numerous violent crimes, and getting locked up away from society for many years. Do you have any reason to believe that the outcome of this situation will have anything resembling this? Because I foresee the best plausible outcome, even with all this attention, is going to be something like a bunch of payouts from civil suits, without much really addressing the overwhelming criminality.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Innocent until proven guilty? It just happened and we don't even know for sure if they acted improperly?
        mindslight 3y ago
        uh, I'm obviously talking about the outcome after due process, and assuming the described facts are roughly correct. I'll repeat the question - after the justice system has run its course, and assuming that the description of events is roughly correct, do you foresee any possibility of the perps ending up in prison?
    - slikrick 3y ago
      Aka "the system can only be working" because you literally can only see the things you can see, which you use as justification of it working. Literally the most idiotic thing I've heard on this website.
- kibwen 3y ago
  > When I read this, I think that the system works. It's possible to assume that the system works if you assume that this is also the only time this has happened. How many times have corrupt cops such as these used the force of the state to silence their detractors and gotten away with it?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    > How many times have corrupt cops such as these used the force of the state to silence their detractors and gotten away with it? You tell me? What does the evidence say?
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      I'm not even from the US but I've heard of hundreds of times this has happened there. Only in a very few cases do they not win and who knows how many we don't even hear about.
- predictabl3 3y ago
  Life is not a movie. These things happen all of the time without some Hollywood feell good ending. You dont get to just go "oh good old journalism will just fix this". Did you even read it? They can't publish? They were decimated. The Kansas state governors office needs to getting involved and I have an alarm set to call Kelly's office when it opens tomorrow.
- joe_the_user 3y ago
  I live in a small town where the press is in the pocket of the powers-that-be. That situation doesn't get press. This situation is a lesson to every newspaper that might out of line, not to do so. That is to say, you're confused. Corruption is the usual thing a small American city. A paper reporting when it gets out-of-hand is unusual. Cops screwing with the paper or anyone who reports their dirty dealings is normal. Cops getting flack when they do this happens but often they just get away it. Even when the cops get flack in the press, they usually come out OK in the long run. Even a paper gets a lot support and congratulations in the short, they often wind-up screwed in the long run. And sure, a raid is kind of a crude reaction. Local corrupt officially usually have a more subtle way to send a message. Perhaps the local cops felt a need to make their point strongly.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

It's funny how different people can read this and come to different conclusions. When I read this, I think that the system works. The fourth estate (the press) was doing their job and will now bring more scrutiny and possible legal consequences to the police chief.

krisoft 3y ago
> I think that the system works. How is the system working when clearly the newspaper is in a desperate search now for equipment to be able to stay in business after theirs got taken by the police? Don’t you think that is somewhat chilling of free speech? What would be evidence of the system not working in your opinion? The editor washing up with a bullet in their head? All the journalist sentenced to 20 years of hard labour on the private farm of the police chief? The system is clearly not working.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  > What would be evidence of the system not working in your opinion? The fact we can read about this is evidence that it is working. Evidence that it is not working would be hard to come by because we wouldn't be able to read about it!
  - twirlip 3y ago
    In the age of ubiquitous information sharing, the news of cops raiding a newspaper office is rather not a signal the system is working, than it is a klaxon that the system is failing.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      Alright. Please show me a system that works to your standards then.
      - twirlip 3y ago
        There are metrics that describe such standards. One such is the University of Würzburg's Democracy Matrix, another is the Corruption Perception Index.
  - 1shooner 3y ago
    >The fact we can read about this is evidence that it is working. This is like saying we've cured cancer because you got a biopsy.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      We are talking about accountability, not cancer.
      - mindslight 3y ago
        Accountability would necessarily include this armed gang that committed numerous violent crimes being treated like an armed gang that committed numerous violent crimes, and getting locked up away from society for many years. Do you have any reason to believe that the outcome of this situation will have anything resembling this? Because I foresee the best plausible outcome, even with all this attention, is going to be something like a bunch of payouts from civil suits, without much really addressing the overwhelming criminality.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Innocent until proven guilty? It just happened and we don't even know for sure if they acted improperly?
        mindslight 3y ago
        uh, I'm obviously talking about the outcome after due process, and assuming the described facts are roughly correct. I'll repeat the question - after the justice system has run its course, and assuming that the description of events is roughly correct, do you foresee any possibility of the perps ending up in prison?
  - slikrick 3y ago
    Aka "the system can only be working" because you literally can only see the things you can see, which you use as justification of it working. Literally the most idiotic thing I've heard on this website.
kibwen 3y ago
> When I read this, I think that the system works. It's possible to assume that the system works if you assume that this is also the only time this has happened. How many times have corrupt cops such as these used the force of the state to silence their detractors and gotten away with it?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  > How many times have corrupt cops such as these used the force of the state to silence their detractors and gotten away with it? You tell me? What does the evidence say?
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    I'm not even from the US but I've heard of hundreds of times this has happened there. Only in a very few cases do they not win and who knows how many we don't even hear about.
predictabl3 3y ago
Life is not a movie. These things happen all of the time without some Hollywood feell good ending. You dont get to just go "oh good old journalism will just fix this". Did you even read it? They can't publish? They were decimated. The Kansas state governors office needs to getting involved and I have an alarm set to call Kelly's office when it opens tomorrow.
joe_the_user 3y ago
I live in a small town where the press is in the pocket of the powers-that-be. That situation doesn't get press. This situation is a lesson to every newspaper that might out of line, not to do so. That is to say, you're confused. Corruption is the usual thing a small American city. A paper reporting when it gets out-of-hand is unusual. Cops screwing with the paper or anyone who reports their dirty dealings is normal. Cops getting flack when they do this happens but often they just get away it. Even when the cops get flack in the press, they usually come out OK in the long run. Even a paper gets a lot support and congratulations in the short, they often wind-up screwed in the long run. And sure, a raid is kind of a crude reaction. Local corrupt officially usually have a more subtle way to send a message. Perhaps the local cops felt a need to make their point strongly.