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To Wit, the CDC now says it’s okay to use [doctors to prescribe] Ivermectin to treat sars-cov-2 whereas before they denounced its use and the mainstream media d

by mc32 3y ago

To Wit, the CDC now says it’s okay to use [doctors to prescribe] Ivermectin to treat sars-cov-2 whereas before they denounced its use and the mainstream media derided it as horse paste.

nradov 3y ago
Where did the CDC say that? The CDC doesn't even publish COVID-19 treatment protocols; those come from the NIH. And none of the large scale clinical trials have found ivermectin to be effective. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/
- mc32 3y ago
  https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/ot-docs-the-fda-recognized-you-have-the-authority-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid/109294660/ https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/ot-docs-the-f...
  - wredue 3y ago
    That’s not the CDC recommended the use of ivermectin. It is a court case stating that doctors are legally allowed to prescribe human safe variants if they so choose. It doesn’t have anything towards the effect of ivermectin on Covid.
  - dahart 3y ago
    Saying that doctors have the “authority” to prescribe is not the same as recommending it. Additionally a lawyer’s statement taken out of context does not necessarily represent the organization’s stance or advice. It seems like the post you provided is making some unjustified assumptions.
wredue 3y ago
Source please. I don’t see anywhere that they recommend ivermectin. To that end, the problem was never ivermectin anyway. The problem was people buying horse dewormer from vet shops and self medicating. You guys take “hey, maybe don’t self medicate with medication meant for horses cause we don’t even know if this works, let alone what sorts of dosage or anything is safe and adequate” as a personal attack, and then go off the rails over it.
- mc32 3y ago
  The pushback from the CDC was very strong as well as the media and social media. Physicians were being censored and bullied for saying it was okay or for prescribing it.
  - wredue 3y ago
    The problem is that you’re just taking opportunistic stances. >Big pharma is bad, and we should not be pushing drugs that were rushed through approvals This is your position when talking about vaccines, despite the fact that vaccines actually work, and the “rushed” actually just means it skipped months of wait times. >big pharma is good, and we should be needlessly pushing drugs that have not been through efficacy studies just cause This is your stance on ivermectin You’re taking two different stances on the same position depending on what your political hero said. Then you’re posting lies, and when called out on the lies, post more lies. You say that physicians were “being bullied”. But they weren’t. They were being told not to push unproven drugs. That’s not “being bullied”. Physicians were rightfully “being censored” when stating unsubstantiated claimed of efficacy, as the studies don’t support them. Even today, different studies on ivermectin alone produce different results. Yeah. There are studies showing a positive benefit mild cases. But there are also studies showing no difference, and more studies showing zero preventative benefit for becoming serious. That is to say that even today, we don’t have conclusive evidence that ivermectin works. So doctors who declare that it does are lying, and absolutely should have those statement “cancelled”.
  - aCoreyJ 3y ago
    No they were being censored and bullied if they believed or led their patients to believe it is an effective treatment. My Uncle had a patient dying yelling he didn't have Covid whose family doctor's only "treatment" was to prescribe them ivermectin. It's not illegal, but I don't want that doctor.
  - raarts 3y ago
    I can tell you that in The Netherlands doctors could be (and still can be) fined up to €150.000 if they prescribed HCQ or Ivermectin.
GTP 3y ago
The story about Ivermectin is much more complicated, I suggest you to read this: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... It also talks about why different people might develop different view in the case of Ivermectin and similar situations when you have many data points, close but not enough to reach statistical significance. And the process of science in general.

by mc32 3y ago

To Wit, the CDC now says it’s okay to use [doctors to prescribe] Ivermectin to treat sars-cov-2 whereas before they denounced its use and the mainstream media derided it as horse paste.

nradov 3y ago

Where did the CDC say that? The CDC doesn't even publish COVID-19 treatment protocols; those come from the NIH. And none of the large scale clinical trials have found ivermectin to be effective. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/

mc32 3y ago
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/ot-docs-the-fda-recognized-you-have-the-authority-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid/109294660/ https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/ot-docs-the-f...
- wredue 3y ago
  That’s not the CDC recommended the use of ivermectin. It is a court case stating that doctors are legally allowed to prescribe human safe variants if they so choose. It doesn’t have anything towards the effect of ivermectin on Covid.
- dahart 3y ago
  Saying that doctors have the “authority” to prescribe is not the same as recommending it. Additionally a lawyer’s statement taken out of context does not necessarily represent the organization’s stance or advice. It seems like the post you provided is making some unjustified assumptions.

wredue 3y ago

Source please. I don’t see anywhere that they recommend ivermectin. To that end, the problem was never ivermectin anyway. The problem was people buying horse dewormer from vet shops and self medicating. You guys take “hey, maybe don’t self medicate with medication meant for horses cause we don’t even know if this works, let alone what sorts of dosage or anything is safe and adequate” as a personal attack, and then go off the rails over it.

mc32 3y ago
The pushback from the CDC was very strong as well as the media and social media. Physicians were being censored and bullied for saying it was okay or for prescribing it.
- wredue 3y ago
  The problem is that you’re just taking opportunistic stances. >Big pharma is bad, and we should not be pushing drugs that were rushed through approvals This is your position when talking about vaccines, despite the fact that vaccines actually work, and the “rushed” actually just means it skipped months of wait times. >big pharma is good, and we should be needlessly pushing drugs that have not been through efficacy studies just cause This is your stance on ivermectin You’re taking two different stances on the same position depending on what your political hero said. Then you’re posting lies, and when called out on the lies, post more lies. You say that physicians were “being bullied”. But they weren’t. They were being told not to push unproven drugs. That’s not “being bullied”. Physicians were rightfully “being censored” when stating unsubstantiated claimed of efficacy, as the studies don’t support them. Even today, different studies on ivermectin alone produce different results. Yeah. There are studies showing a positive benefit mild cases. But there are also studies showing no difference, and more studies showing zero preventative benefit for becoming serious. That is to say that even today, we don’t have conclusive evidence that ivermectin works. So doctors who declare that it does are lying, and absolutely should have those statement “cancelled”.
- aCoreyJ 3y ago
  No they were being censored and bullied if they believed or led their patients to believe it is an effective treatment. My Uncle had a patient dying yelling he didn't have Covid whose family doctor's only "treatment" was to prescribe them ivermectin. It's not illegal, but I don't want that doctor.
- raarts 3y ago
  I can tell you that in The Netherlands doctors could be (and still can be) fined up to €150.000 if they prescribed HCQ or Ivermectin.

GTP 3y ago

The story about Ivermectin is much more complicated, I suggest you to read this: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... It also talks about why different people might develop different view in the case of Ivermectin and similar situations when you have many data points, close but not enough to reach statistical significance. And the process of science in general.