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Maybe don’t judge it, then. At least not in such a condescending way. Especially since we need more people thinking deeply about how to make education work, not
by chasing 3y ago
Maybe don’t judge it, then. At least not in such a condescending way. Especially since we need more people thinking deeply about how to make education work, not fewer.
- bigtex 3y agoPublic schools have been growing the administrative side of the business for decades, getting more money than ever before per student and it seems children are learning less and less. That Doesn’t seem like the best track record for thinking deeply. They do get paid very well and in many states are allowed to retire early which insane pensions so maybe too much thinking on salaries and more attention to the students.
- chasing 3y agoMight I suggest that if it’s a problem maybe it’s a good thing to have people study it more deeply?
- bluGill 3y agoMaybe,but it seems like a self perpetuating fraud of the taxpayers and students who are funding education costs growing faster than inflation to me.
- chasing 3y agoIf you are concerned about spiraling costs and the siloing of wealth in this country, let me suggest you look elsewhere. Students and educators ain’t it.
- bigtex 3y agohttps://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/ct-sta-paraday-criminal-investigation-st-0804-20190802-3epinwffdrbkpch2vntnnv35fy-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/ct-st... https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-highest-paid-illinois-school-supt-gets-400k-to-oversee-1200-students/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-highest... https://www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html https://www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/06/04/the-exclusive-100000-club-meet-30000-members-at-the-illinois-teachers-retirement-system-trs/?sh=33fe12bb6129 https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/06/04/the... Seems that the "educators" in Illinois are very wealthy.
- bluGill 3y agoThere are many different causes and all need to be addressed. Look over there is the refrain of people who want to hide their corruption.
- imtringued 3y agohttps://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MAixm2zlg0vbz_OVY3D2I3QJen8=/0x0:1801x1362/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1801x1362):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8465151/pricesgoodindex2.jpg https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MAixm2zlg0vbz_OVY3D2I3QJen8=...
- bigtex 3y agoYep, excellent list. I wonder where this state ranks in student outcomes???
- dahfizz 3y agoBloating administrations is one of the drivers in the cost of education. Throwing more people at the problem will just waste more money
- rayiner 3y agoJudgment is a good thing for society. These fictitious fields hurt the credibility of real fields of study. If you’re a doctor—or anyone else, but especially a doctor—you should be publicly, vociferously, and condescendingly judgmental towards homeopathy or chiropractic. It’s your obligation for the good of the public.
- chasing 3y agoEducation is also important — along with the administration of that education — so when people judge things they can do so from a standpoint of understanding and not from the standpoint of reactionary politics and uninformed gut takes. (Education is how doctors become doctors, after all.) Thoughtful and educated judgment born of understanding is good for society. Just clouding things with dumb opinions — or pure bullshit — helps no one.
- rayiner 3y agoIf something is obviously not working, or doesn’t make sense, it’s important that the public be able to criticize it by reference to common sense and lived experience. Otherwise, you’re turning over the policing function entirely to the same people who are deeply invested in protecting the legitimacy of a field of inquiry. Legitimate fields of study usually do not have trouble establishing their legitimacy to ordinary people. My undergraduate degree is in aerospace engineering. I’ve never had to argue from authority to get people to accept that’s a legitimate field that produces actionable facts.
- chasing 3y agoSeems a little naive to believe engineers don’t make arguments from authority all the dang time…
- xyzzyz 3y agoThe point is that they earned this authority, because their planes fly, whereas, for example, experts on childhood education cannot point to such obvious undeniable achievement that laypeople cannot reach.
- shortrounddev2 3y agoWe have too many administrators bloating up university budgets. In my experience, very few people involved in academia truly question it or ask how educational systems should be built from the ground up. They usually are the worst defenders of that system, since they're the ones who flourish in it most. I don't think anybody who works in academics is truly capable of thinking outside of it.
- anigbrowl 3y agoAcademics hate administrators, but are too timid/selfish to coordinate with other academics across departmental lines to undermine the administrative body - not least because academics hate administration and don't have a good idea for how to deal with it.
- anigbrowl 3y agoEspecially since we need more people thinking deeply about how to make education work, not fewer. I'm not sure that's true. The US system is staggeringly wasteful, partly because there are 50 states and thousands of school districts all making out that they are unique and different and need to find their own ways of doing things (a critique which could be leveled at the US more generally). This is an invitation to corruption and endless politicking. Amid all the various studies and reports and education manifestos, you know what I never hear? Of policies derived from surveying students about what they think and what does or does not work for them. Generally when I bring this point up it gets dismissed with some variation of 'students will just ask for more time off and less work and standards will crumble' which I don't think has any basis in fact.