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The hardest part for him is going to be the dopamine withdrawals. He's supposed to be in a drug treatment program but with his behavior during house arrest, who

The hardest part for him is going to be the dopamine withdrawals. He's supposed to be in a drug treatment program but with his behavior during house arrest, who knows if his parents have any disciplinary skills to make sure he was clean before his bail was revoked.

bobmaxup 3y ago
Not trying to lend to your theory, but I found a interesting document: https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf > Inmates with a dependency on cocaine or other stimulants generally do not require treatment in an inpatient setting. The cessation of this substance does not always cause specific withdrawal symptoms. However, symptoms may be severe enough to require clinical intervention. For most inmates who use cocaine or other stimulants, medications are not ordinarily indicated as an initial treatment for withdrawal or dependence, as none have shown efficacy. Inmates are treated symptomatically. > SAMHSA recommends that patients withdrawing from stimulants should be monitored closely for depression/suicidality, as well as prolonged QTc intervals and seizures, which may be additional complications of stimulant withdrawal. An EKG is recommended during cocaine withdrawal to monitor for cardiac complications.
- VHRanger 3y ago
  He wasn't just on amphetamines, he was also on MAOIs which are stronger stuff
  - 3np 3y ago
    Characterizing MAOIs as "stronger stuff" than amphetamines is just nonsense and I don't see how the context here would make it either meaningful or relevant.
    - VHRanger 3y ago
      Using selegiline as a stimulant has a lot more risks (some irreversible!) and side effects than just using an amphetamine or methylphenidate like anyone else seeking the same effect would. It certainly explains the tremors you saw him have in interviews - you need a lot of abuse with amphetamines to get to that level of side effect. In general it speaks to a level of personal recklessness you don't even see in the typical cocaine guzzling white collar criminal.
refulgentis 3y ago
Source? Spent about 15 minutes looking into it and I can't find anything other than the general "these people did amphetamines!" stuff from December 2022
- benzible 3y ago
  You mean, like, SBF's own tweets? https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1173351344159117312 https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1173351344159117312
  - klausa 3y ago
    That's not how medically-prescribed stimulant works.
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    That's not how court-ordered in-patient drug treatment works
- radicaldreamer 3y ago
  "Substance use treatment" was one of the initial reasons his bail was not opposed by AUSA https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/22/sam-bankman-fried-new-york-court-charges-ftx https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/22/sam-bankman... https://cryptoslate.com/sbf-granted-250m-bail-released-to-parents-home-in-palo-alto/ https://cryptoslate.com/sbf-granted-250m-bail-released-to-pa...
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    ty
    - radicaldreamer 3y ago
      Welp https://twitter.com/AutismCapital/status/1691154628694646784 https://twitter.com/AutismCapital/status/1691154628694646784
Aleksdev 3y ago
He is an adult. His parents shouldn’t have to tell him this.

bobmaxup 3y ago

Not trying to lend to your theory, but I found a interesting document: https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf > Inmates with a dependency on cocaine or other stimulants generally do not require treatment in an inpatient setting. The cessation of this substance does not always cause specific withdrawal symptoms. However, symptoms may be severe enough to require clinical intervention. For most inmates who use cocaine or other stimulants, medications are not ordinarily indicated as an initial treatment for withdrawal or dependence, as none have shown efficacy. Inmates are treated symptomatically. > SAMHSA recommends that patients withdrawing from stimulants should be monitored closely for depression/suicidality, as well as prolonged QTc intervals and seizures, which may be additional complications of stimulant withdrawal. An EKG is recommended during cocaine withdrawal to monitor for cardiac complications.

VHRanger 3y ago
He wasn't just on amphetamines, he was also on MAOIs which are stronger stuff
- 3np 3y ago
  Characterizing MAOIs as "stronger stuff" than amphetamines is just nonsense and I don't see how the context here would make it either meaningful or relevant.
  - VHRanger 3y ago
    Using selegiline as a stimulant has a lot more risks (some irreversible!) and side effects than just using an amphetamine or methylphenidate like anyone else seeking the same effect would. It certainly explains the tremors you saw him have in interviews - you need a lot of abuse with amphetamines to get to that level of side effect. In general it speaks to a level of personal recklessness you don't even see in the typical cocaine guzzling white collar criminal.

refulgentis 3y ago

Source? Spent about 15 minutes looking into it and I can't find anything other than the general "these people did amphetamines!" stuff from December 2022

benzible 3y ago
You mean, like, SBF's own tweets? https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1173351344159117312 https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1173351344159117312
- klausa 3y ago
  That's not how medically-prescribed stimulant works.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  That's not how court-ordered in-patient drug treatment works
radicaldreamer 3y ago
"Substance use treatment" was one of the initial reasons his bail was not opposed by AUSA https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/22/sam-bankman-fried-new-york-court-charges-ftx https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/22/sam-bankman... https://cryptoslate.com/sbf-granted-250m-bail-released-to-parents-home-in-palo-alto/ https://cryptoslate.com/sbf-granted-250m-bail-released-to-pa...
- refulgentis 3y ago
  ty
  - radicaldreamer 3y ago
    Welp https://twitter.com/AutismCapital/status/1691154628694646784 https://twitter.com/AutismCapital/status/1691154628694646784

Aleksdev 3y ago

He is an adult. His parents shouldn’t have to tell him this.