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It’s been fascinating watching age in relation to sex do a 180 in just a couple short decades. When I was 13, no one blinked an eye at porn usage. Suddenly the

It’s been fascinating watching age in relation to sex do a 180 in just a couple short decades. When I was 13, no one blinked an eye at porn usage. Suddenly the question is one of the most important in mainstream debate. Funny how that works. I’m not necessarily saying that the old ways were better, just that it’s interesting how much can change in one lifetime. I wonder what we consider harmless today that will be taboo in two decades.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
I'm betting on leggings at this point.
- ptsneves 3y ago
  I am fine if you wear leggings if you are fine with me staring as you pass by. That is the only way I can reconcile my freedom loving self with my monkey self.
  - n42 3y ago
    You don’t love freedom as in liberty; you love freedom as in lack of consequence. To put it another way; if you really loved freedom, you wouldn’t be “granting” freedom to wear leggings in return for our own to call you a creep.
    - true_religion 3y ago
      I think you misunderstand. People are free to wear leggings. However, he is also free to shame them. He’s granting them the “freedom” from shame, and in return they won’t shame him by calling him a creep. If he has to become a creep, he won’t change himself he’ll try to change others by calling them names too.
      - ptsneves 3y ago
        Honestly I believe this is the core of woke/anti woke culture wars. Either side wants it their way, albeit that leads to conflict. Both sides need to compromise and accept the costs of eachother’s world views. That is the consequence the previous commenter missed. It costs and it should cost on both sides. There can be no freedom in 0 degrees of freedom.
  - mchanson 3y ago
    Bro that is a super messed up stand point.
Void_ 3y ago
With more research we understand better the effects this stuff has on human mind. It’s only logical we look at it differently. Same with the cigarettes. My guess is social media is next.
- foobiekr 3y ago
  The money in social media (and adjacent things, like Google's ad business) is too large. It corrupts the users and also the non-amoral engineers who build those companies. Just look at any thread on the harms of social media for lessons in excuse making, whataboutism and deflection.
  - faxmeyourcode 3y ago
    > The money in [pornography] (and adjacent things...) is too large. It corrupts the users and also the non-amoral engineers who build those companies. Just look at any thread on the harms of [pornography] for lessons in excuse making, whataboutism and deflection.
    - animal_spirits 3y ago
      We could say the same thing with tobacco
      - foobiekr 3y ago
        Normal people do.
    - gilmore606 3y ago
      > money in [pornography] (and adjacent things...) is too large How can this even be true? As a wise man once said, I type big booba in google and get million result.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    In moral terms, money is apparently more evil than lust. :p
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
When the addictive and society-distorting nature of modern social media is widely discussed as a problem, it is no surprise that some people might claim that porn shows a very similar effect. I assume that is what's happening because the concern over porn I’m seeing on Reddit, is being voiced by more types of people than just the religious conservatives or anti-porn feminists of years past.
chomp 3y ago
Your anecdote doesn't match up with reality - opinions on pornography have been trending upwards, here's one survey: https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornography-morally-acceptable.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornograph... Liberals (and in particular, young men) are the biggest movers, but across the board, all demographics have shown increases. Only one political party is making this a legal issue (and therefore, putting it in mainstream debate) in the first place.
LexiMax 3y ago
I feel like millennials and younger folks are a lot more sex positive than older generations, but in many places reactionary moralizers are the ones with the reigns of power due to how the district lines are drawn.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  I think low voter participation rates for younger people would be the bigger culprit.
  - LexiMax 3y ago
    I live in one of the most gerrymandered states in the US. The district lines drawn since 2010 have been struck down by courts repeatedly, but there is no legal mechanism to force the legislature to draw them in a more fair way. On top of that, one of our two state house reps for the city I live in switched parties after being elected. Now the state legislature has a governor-veto-proof majority, and our state doesn't have recall elections. I vote in every election. But in this instance my vote didn't matter in a very literal sense. Depending on what laws they pass next year I might not be able to access necessary medical care or even safely live in the state anymore. I don't plan on stopping voting, as I consider it my civic duty, but with political shenanigans like this I don't blame younger generations for feeling like their vote doesn't count.
    - the_snooze 3y ago
      >I vote in every election. But in this instance my vote didn't matter in a very literal sense. I'd argue that gerrymandered votes matter more in primary elections for the dominant party. Primaries tend to be thinly attended, so a concerted effort by, say, Republicans in a heavily Democratic district would have a far better chance of ousting the Democratic incumbent in the primary than in the general.
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      Gerrymandering can make it easier to flip a district. Gerrymandering means a small number of districts with a large advantage for party A and a large number of districts with a small advantage for party B. So in a normal election party B gets more districts than they should. However, if sentiment swings enough to overcome the "small advantage" then party A can sweep the state. And if sentiment swings significantly towards party B they now no longer have the ability to steal a seat from party A.
throw_m239339 3y ago
> I wonder what we consider harmless today that will be taboo in two decades. You're that implying exposing children to porn is considered harmless today. Considered harmless by whom exactly? This isn't about being taboo, this is about parents that don't want to be responsible and let their kids watch porn, it's already illegal to expose children to that. But nobody wants to take responsibility, not the ISP, not the parents, not the online porn companies themselves, nobody. So in an environment where something illegal is perpretrated, if nobody wants to take responsibility then it's up to the legislator to FORCE someone to take responsibility. It turns out it's the digital pimps this time...
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  > You're that implying exposing children to porn is considered harmless today. No, they clearly explicitly stated that exposing children to porn when considered harmless when they were 13, but is now hot topic in the media today.
hindsightbias 3y ago
People are weird. The US/Hollywood is far more prudish since my youth. Would doubt bikinis and shirtless swimming will be a thing in another generation. Which maybe is ok since the vast majority will be obese anyway.
- falcolas 3y ago
  > The US/Hollywood is far more prudish since my youth. The prudishness manifested differently. I recall a lot more nudity and at least as many sex scenes in movies I watched as a kid (under 18). Highlander Lethal Weapon Robocop Life of Brian Even OG Batman had some nudity and referenced sex in it as a PG-13. Exposed breasts and sex scenes were pretty common. Full frontal nudity was even relatively common. And sometimes wouldn't even garner an R rating.
  - hindsightbias 3y ago
    Romeo and Juliet would be child porn today. There’s a TV channel for old shows/movies here. Clothed nipples are obscured. A sci-fi movie, the plaque on the NASA satellite with nude human figures was obscured. Who will protect the aliens? Tipper Gore and Jerry Falwell lost the battle, but they won the war.
    - falcolas 3y ago
      I think I read your post backwards - my bad. With that context, yeah, we are more prudish about movies and such today. That said, it's easier to distribute and sell NC-17+ materials today than it ever has been.
ben_w 3y ago
> I wonder what we consider harmless today that will be taboo in two decades. Natural meat, assuming the stuff from bioreactors works out. People already coo over livestock escaping to freedom in time to avoid the slaughterhouse. Booze, if someone can invent a different social lubricant without ethanol's impact on things like driving and making bad decisions. Apparently diamonds are non-stick; if so, Teflon cookware will probably be replaced with ginormous synthetic diamond surfaces. Possibly BDSM: given the moral panic about porn when I was growing up was about porn encouraging misogynistic abuse, I'm surprised that Fifty Shades of Grey was ever popular (as are the people I know who are into BDSM), though from what I heard from second hand book sellers… perhaps it was a book people bought more than they read. Some random subset of food additives is a safe bet. And for moral panics, synthetic materials, so lets say… rare earth magnets because everyone thinks they clog up your chakras or something.
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- flir 3y ago
  > Booze, if someone can invent a different social lubricant without ethanol's impact on things like driving and making bad decisions. David Nutt's working on that (GABALabs). Not sure if it'll pan out. I tried Sentia and maybe it works maybe it doesn't, but I do know it's undrinkable.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Fifty Shades is also violence/abuse and not BDSM.
dontupvoteme 3y ago
IMO the real harm is vultures like onlyfans which prey on vulnerable people (mostly women, but also men) with the lies of making 100k+ a month and being set for life in exchange for a few suggestive shots and maybe a handbra topless picture. Some extremes that were early in the game, sure, but there's probably tens of thousands of people who posted/did things they didn't want to do to make ends meet and pay the rent. Unlike the first profession, this time it's images and videos permanently saved to an always available and easily scraped/abused fairly well replicated database, and I can imagine that people get more desperate as the money fails to flow in, which I fully expect onlyfans is exploiting. I'm not sure it's an economy that should exist. The traditional porn market was bad enough, but onlyfans seems 100x worse to me since it's basically the Uberification of sexwork or whatever you like to call it.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  OnlyFan preys on more vulnerable people than just the models. The audience, too, is taken advantage of. Successful OnlyFans models (or their coordinators, who have been likened to pimps) have been contracting out the chatting-with-followers work to places like Kenya, Uganda, or Nigeria. Some poor schmo desperate for interaction with a woman pays the price that allows him to chat with the model, but unbeknownst to him, he’s actually talking to another man somewhere in the developing world.
  - dontupvoteme 3y ago
    Oh yeah, the "simps" are also exploited to hell, but that is much less likely to potentially come back to haunt them (minus financially) It's a really fucked up system through and through. soon we'll just have LLaMA2-Onlyfans-Chat-Generic-V1.0 and if you'd like a premium version and have enough logs, LLaMa2-Onlyfans-Chat-<YourUserName>-v1.0 -- just let us know which time you were you and which time it was someone else, so we can make a premium product. Not to mention being able to just make potential images with SD LoRA's -- which you dont have to be the creator to make.
  - crickey 3y ago
    I feel being catfishes is pretty harmless. If you never learn the truth how is that any different the talking to an actual women
chrismcb 3y ago
I'm not sure how old you are, but I feel like my entire life perks have been blinking their eyes at porn usage. PG-13 was created. They cleaned up times square. They tried to clean up Vegas. They tried to stop selling Playboy in 7-11. There was the whole issue with Traci Lords
deprecative 3y ago
Conservatives need people to vote for them so they drum up useless garbage like this and rehash the LGBTQIA are pedophiles and groomers tired tactic. Just as they do with anything else. Rinse repeat and go again.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

I'm betting on leggings at this point.

ptsneves 3y ago
I am fine if you wear leggings if you are fine with me staring as you pass by. That is the only way I can reconcile my freedom loving self with my monkey self.
- n42 3y ago
  You don’t love freedom as in liberty; you love freedom as in lack of consequence. To put it another way; if you really loved freedom, you wouldn’t be “granting” freedom to wear leggings in return for our own to call you a creep.
  - true_religion 3y ago
    I think you misunderstand. People are free to wear leggings. However, he is also free to shame them. He’s granting them the “freedom” from shame, and in return they won’t shame him by calling him a creep. If he has to become a creep, he won’t change himself he’ll try to change others by calling them names too.
    - ptsneves 3y ago
      Honestly I believe this is the core of woke/anti woke culture wars. Either side wants it their way, albeit that leads to conflict. Both sides need to compromise and accept the costs of eachother’s world views. That is the consequence the previous commenter missed. It costs and it should cost on both sides. There can be no freedom in 0 degrees of freedom.
- mchanson 3y ago
  Bro that is a super messed up stand point.

Void_ 3y ago

With more research we understand better the effects this stuff has on human mind. It’s only logical we look at it differently. Same with the cigarettes. My guess is social media is next.

foobiekr 3y ago
The money in social media (and adjacent things, like Google's ad business) is too large. It corrupts the users and also the non-amoral engineers who build those companies. Just look at any thread on the harms of social media for lessons in excuse making, whataboutism and deflection.
- faxmeyourcode 3y ago
  > The money in [pornography] (and adjacent things...) is too large. It corrupts the users and also the non-amoral engineers who build those companies. Just look at any thread on the harms of [pornography] for lessons in excuse making, whataboutism and deflection.
  - animal_spirits 3y ago
    We could say the same thing with tobacco
    - foobiekr 3y ago
      Normal people do.
  - gilmore606 3y ago
    > money in [pornography] (and adjacent things...) is too large How can this even be true? As a wise man once said, I type big booba in google and get million result.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  In moral terms, money is apparently more evil than lust. :p

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

When the addictive and society-distorting nature of modern social media is widely discussed as a problem, it is no surprise that some people might claim that porn shows a very similar effect. I assume that is what's happening because the concern over porn I’m seeing on Reddit, is being voiced by more types of people than just the religious conservatives or anti-porn feminists of years past.

chomp 3y ago

Your anecdote doesn't match up with reality - opinions on pornography have been trending upwards, here's one survey: https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornography-morally-acceptable.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornograph... Liberals (and in particular, young men) are the biggest movers, but across the board, all demographics have shown increases. Only one political party is making this a legal issue (and therefore, putting it in mainstream debate) in the first place.

LexiMax 3y ago

I feel like millennials and younger folks are a lot more sex positive than older generations, but in many places reactionary moralizers are the ones with the reigns of power due to how the district lines are drawn.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
I think low voter participation rates for younger people would be the bigger culprit.
- LexiMax 3y ago
  I live in one of the most gerrymandered states in the US. The district lines drawn since 2010 have been struck down by courts repeatedly, but there is no legal mechanism to force the legislature to draw them in a more fair way. On top of that, one of our two state house reps for the city I live in switched parties after being elected. Now the state legislature has a governor-veto-proof majority, and our state doesn't have recall elections. I vote in every election. But in this instance my vote didn't matter in a very literal sense. Depending on what laws they pass next year I might not be able to access necessary medical care or even safely live in the state anymore. I don't plan on stopping voting, as I consider it my civic duty, but with political shenanigans like this I don't blame younger generations for feeling like their vote doesn't count.
  - the_snooze 3y ago
    >I vote in every election. But in this instance my vote didn't matter in a very literal sense. I'd argue that gerrymandered votes matter more in primary elections for the dominant party. Primaries tend to be thinly attended, so a concerted effort by, say, Republicans in a heavily Democratic district would have a far better chance of ousting the Democratic incumbent in the primary than in the general.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    Gerrymandering can make it easier to flip a district. Gerrymandering means a small number of districts with a large advantage for party A and a large number of districts with a small advantage for party B. So in a normal election party B gets more districts than they should. However, if sentiment swings enough to overcome the "small advantage" then party A can sweep the state. And if sentiment swings significantly towards party B they now no longer have the ability to steal a seat from party A.

throw_m239339 3y ago

> I wonder what we consider harmless today that will be taboo in two decades. You're that implying exposing children to porn is considered harmless today. Considered harmless by whom exactly? This isn't about being taboo, this is about parents that don't want to be responsible and let their kids watch porn, it's already illegal to expose children to that. But nobody wants to take responsibility, not the ISP, not the parents, not the online porn companies themselves, nobody. So in an environment where something illegal is perpretrated, if nobody wants to take responsibility then it's up to the legislator to FORCE someone to take responsibility. It turns out it's the digital pimps this time...

xboxnolifes 3y ago
> You're that implying exposing children to porn is considered harmless today. No, they clearly explicitly stated that exposing children to porn when considered harmless when they were 13, but is now hot topic in the media today.

hindsightbias 3y ago

People are weird. The US/Hollywood is far more prudish since my youth. Would doubt bikinis and shirtless swimming will be a thing in another generation. Which maybe is ok since the vast majority will be obese anyway.

falcolas 3y ago
> The US/Hollywood is far more prudish since my youth. The prudishness manifested differently. I recall a lot more nudity and at least as many sex scenes in movies I watched as a kid (under 18). Highlander Lethal Weapon Robocop Life of Brian Even OG Batman had some nudity and referenced sex in it as a PG-13. Exposed breasts and sex scenes were pretty common. Full frontal nudity was even relatively common. And sometimes wouldn't even garner an R rating.
- hindsightbias 3y ago
  Romeo and Juliet would be child porn today. There’s a TV channel for old shows/movies here. Clothed nipples are obscured. A sci-fi movie, the plaque on the NASA satellite with nude human figures was obscured. Who will protect the aliens? Tipper Gore and Jerry Falwell lost the battle, but they won the war.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    I think I read your post backwards - my bad. With that context, yeah, we are more prudish about movies and such today. That said, it's easier to distribute and sell NC-17+ materials today than it ever has been.

ben_w 3y ago

> I wonder what we consider harmless today that will be taboo in two decades. Natural meat, assuming the stuff from bioreactors works out. People already coo over livestock escaping to freedom in time to avoid the slaughterhouse. Booze, if someone can invent a different social lubricant without ethanol's impact on things like driving and making bad decisions. Apparently diamonds are non-stick; if so, Teflon cookware will probably be replaced with ginormous synthetic diamond surfaces. Possibly BDSM: given the moral panic about porn when I was growing up was about porn encouraging misogynistic abuse, I'm surprised that Fifty Shades of Grey was ever popular (as are the people I know who are into BDSM), though from what I heard from second hand book sellers… perhaps it was a book people bought more than they read. Some random subset of food additives is a safe bet. And for moral panics, synthetic materials, so lets say… rare earth magnets because everyone thinks they clog up your chakras or something.

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flir 3y ago
> Booze, if someone can invent a different social lubricant without ethanol's impact on things like driving and making bad decisions. David Nutt's working on that (GABALabs). Not sure if it'll pan out. I tried Sentia and maybe it works maybe it doesn't, but I do know it's undrinkable.
deprecative 3y ago
Fifty Shades is also violence/abuse and not BDSM.

dontupvoteme 3y ago

IMO the real harm is vultures like onlyfans which prey on vulnerable people (mostly women, but also men) with the lies of making 100k+ a month and being set for life in exchange for a few suggestive shots and maybe a handbra topless picture. Some extremes that were early in the game, sure, but there's probably tens of thousands of people who posted/did things they didn't want to do to make ends meet and pay the rent. Unlike the first profession, this time it's images and videos permanently saved to an always available and easily scraped/abused fairly well replicated database, and I can imagine that people get more desperate as the money fails to flow in, which I fully expect onlyfans is exploiting. I'm not sure it's an economy that should exist. The traditional porn market was bad enough, but onlyfans seems 100x worse to me since it's basically the Uberification of sexwork or whatever you like to call it.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
OnlyFan preys on more vulnerable people than just the models. The audience, too, is taken advantage of. Successful OnlyFans models (or their coordinators, who have been likened to pimps) have been contracting out the chatting-with-followers work to places like Kenya, Uganda, or Nigeria. Some poor schmo desperate for interaction with a woman pays the price that allows him to chat with the model, but unbeknownst to him, he’s actually talking to another man somewhere in the developing world.
- dontupvoteme 3y ago
  Oh yeah, the "simps" are also exploited to hell, but that is much less likely to potentially come back to haunt them (minus financially) It's a really fucked up system through and through. soon we'll just have LLaMA2-Onlyfans-Chat-Generic-V1.0 and if you'd like a premium version and have enough logs, LLaMa2-Onlyfans-Chat-<YourUserName>-v1.0 -- just let us know which time you were you and which time it was someone else, so we can make a premium product. Not to mention being able to just make potential images with SD LoRA's -- which you dont have to be the creator to make.
- crickey 3y ago
  I feel being catfishes is pretty harmless. If you never learn the truth how is that any different the talking to an actual women

chrismcb 3y ago

I'm not sure how old you are, but I feel like my entire life perks have been blinking their eyes at porn usage. PG-13 was created. They cleaned up times square. They tried to clean up Vegas. They tried to stop selling Playboy in 7-11. There was the whole issue with Traci Lords

deprecative 3y ago

Conservatives need people to vote for them so they drum up useless garbage like this and rehash the LGBTQIA are pedophiles and groomers tired tactic. Just as they do with anything else. Rinse repeat and go again.