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uBlock doesn’t, but plenty of browsers have built-in adblocking, with one of the very browsers missing it being.. drumroll.. iOS Firefox! Mozilla refuses to ad

by jorvi 3y ago

uBlock doesn’t, but plenty of browsers have built-in adblocking, with one of the very browsers missing it being.. drumroll.. iOS Firefox! Mozilla refuses to address how having no adblock is a security risk, so I have moved all my friends and family over to iOS Brave. Firefox built its own demise by having a bizarre focus on woke stuff instead of features that users direly need.

prmoustache 3y ago
I think you reached the new modern Godwin point.
- jorvi 3y ago
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  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Maybe your comment isn't fact based after all
    - jorvi 3y ago
      - Firefox has been pumping out bizarre woke-language filled blog messages, the annoyance at this has even been upvoted to #1 on the frontpage of HN - Firefox iOS has no real adblocking - Mozilla has an issue for this open on both their Github and Bugzilla for years - Firefox Focus does have real adblocking built in Maybe trolls like you should leave HN :)
the_gipsy 3y ago
iOS Firefox is just a re-skinned Safari, just like iOS Chrome because Apple has some rule against "dynamic code execution" in their AppStore. Which sure is nice to combat some malware but not really MY problem. It also coincidentally happens to also rule out ANY browser engines. Firefox and Chrome can only use the provided webkit "WebView" component. Apple has effectively crippled Browsers on iOS to Safari, or a worse re-skinned version of Safari.
- jorvi 3y ago
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- jorvi 3y ago
  I have a huge grin on my face because you assholes got my other response to this flagged. Such an incredible feeling to know you guys can’t actually do anything meaningful. Enjoy plummeting to 0.000001% market share and fuck you :)
michaelmrose 3y ago
Brave's adblocking seems decidedly worse than ublock origin. https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16935 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16935 except on iOS where apple's restrictions are drastically limiting. You are so insistent that the feature built in primarily because the platform you've chosen has limited your ability to do what literally every other platform can do. I know there are some benefits privacy wise to the Apple ecosystem but it appears that Apple continues to "refuse to address" the need for actual browsers other than safari on iPhone rather than skins on top of Webkit. So neither party is doing what you please but you gave hundreds to thousands of dollars to one and nothing to the other so perhaps go ask the fellow who has all of your money if they can implement the feature. Alternatively wait for some combination of law and or technology to work around Apple. https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/03/googles_chromium_ios/?uuid=y1DRQfS09yZFUGR41734 https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/03/googles_chromium_ios/...
- jorvi 3y ago
  I've actually recently switched from using uBlock in Brave (desktop Brave) to the built-in blocker. They both use the same selectable filter lists, so I notice barely if any difference. I'll also scuttle Cookiebro once Brave's cookie auto-delete moves out of beta. Less extensions means less attack surface.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Selectable filter lists isn't close to uBlock equivalency, that's just table stakes for any adblocker. As far as I've been able to determine, in Brave there is no way to view a list/grid/matrix of which domains are being blocked and which sort of content is being blocked; this is a feature I use in ublock origin / umatrix a lot and don't wish to go without. (For this matter, ublock origin in advanced mode is claimed to have equivalency to umatrix in this regard, but if that's true I can't figure out how.) Also missing from Brave adblocker, as far as I can tell, is an interface for creating cosmetic filters. I use these frequently for removing things like floating headers and footers, and other obnoxious first-party elements that aren't ads but nevertheless degrade websites to satisfy some web designers random whims. Here is an example of Brave's filtering falling short: http://0x0.st/H_YB.jpg http://0x0.st/H_YB.jpg Do you see that wide gray box that says "Youtube Featured, RELEASED this week!" I consider that an ad for trashy commercial popculture slop, I hate it and want it gone. How do I remove it with Brave's blocker? I have ad blocking turned up to aggressive but it's still there. I can't figure out how to create a new cosmetic filter, Youtube is unusable to me without this. If I scroll down further I see similar boxes for "Trending", "Shorts", and "Celebrate World's Indigenous People's Day." All of this needs to go; in Firefox I don't see any of it because, with ublock origin, I created a cosmetic filter for ytd-rich-section-renderer. "Rich section" indeed... Anyway, I didn't downvote your above comment, which is now flagged as well. Near as I can figure the "modern godwin" accusation leveled against you is either because you mentioned brave (is Eich claimed to be a nazi now?) or because you said Mozilla is being woke. Either way, a very stupid reaction to your inoffensive comment. This place is becoming orange reddit.
endemic 3y ago
I don't believe Mobile Safari has built-in adblock; IIRC you have to install a 3rd party content blocker. Funnily enough, Firefox Focus works as a content blocker, so when I browse with iOS Firefox it blocks the majority of ads.

by jorvi 3y ago

prmoustache 3y ago

I think you reached the new modern Godwin point.

jorvi 3y ago
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- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Maybe your comment isn't fact based after all
  - jorvi 3y ago
    - Firefox has been pumping out bizarre woke-language filled blog messages, the annoyance at this has even been upvoted to #1 on the frontpage of HN - Firefox iOS has no real adblocking - Mozilla has an issue for this open on both their Github and Bugzilla for years - Firefox Focus does have real adblocking built in Maybe trolls like you should leave HN :)

the_gipsy 3y ago

iOS Firefox is just a re-skinned Safari, just like iOS Chrome because Apple has some rule against "dynamic code execution" in their AppStore. Which sure is nice to combat some malware but not really MY problem. It also coincidentally happens to also rule out ANY browser engines. Firefox and Chrome can only use the provided webkit "WebView" component. Apple has effectively crippled Browsers on iOS to Safari, or a worse re-skinned version of Safari.

jorvi 3y ago
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jorvi 3y ago
I have a huge grin on my face because you assholes got my other response to this flagged. Such an incredible feeling to know you guys can’t actually do anything meaningful. Enjoy plummeting to 0.000001% market share and fuck you :)

michaelmrose 3y ago

Brave's adblocking seems decidedly worse than ublock origin. https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16935 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16935 except on iOS where apple's restrictions are drastically limiting. You are so insistent that the feature built in primarily because the platform you've chosen has limited your ability to do what literally every other platform can do. I know there are some benefits privacy wise to the Apple ecosystem but it appears that Apple continues to "refuse to address" the need for actual browsers other than safari on iPhone rather than skins on top of Webkit. So neither party is doing what you please but you gave hundreds to thousands of dollars to one and nothing to the other so perhaps go ask the fellow who has all of your money if they can implement the feature. Alternatively wait for some combination of law and or technology to work around Apple. https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/03/googles_chromium_ios/?uuid=y1DRQfS09yZFUGR41734 https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/03/googles_chromium_ios/...

jorvi 3y ago
I've actually recently switched from using uBlock in Brave (desktop Brave) to the built-in blocker. They both use the same selectable filter lists, so I notice barely if any difference. I'll also scuttle Cookiebro once Brave's cookie auto-delete moves out of beta. Less extensions means less attack surface.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Selectable filter lists isn't close to uBlock equivalency, that's just table stakes for any adblocker. As far as I've been able to determine, in Brave there is no way to view a list/grid/matrix of which domains are being blocked and which sort of content is being blocked; this is a feature I use in ublock origin / umatrix a lot and don't wish to go without. (For this matter, ublock origin in advanced mode is claimed to have equivalency to umatrix in this regard, but if that's true I can't figure out how.) Also missing from Brave adblocker, as far as I can tell, is an interface for creating cosmetic filters. I use these frequently for removing things like floating headers and footers, and other obnoxious first-party elements that aren't ads but nevertheless degrade websites to satisfy some web designers random whims. Here is an example of Brave's filtering falling short: http://0x0.st/H_YB.jpg http://0x0.st/H_YB.jpg Do you see that wide gray box that says "Youtube Featured, RELEASED this week!" I consider that an ad for trashy commercial popculture slop, I hate it and want it gone. How do I remove it with Brave's blocker? I have ad blocking turned up to aggressive but it's still there. I can't figure out how to create a new cosmetic filter, Youtube is unusable to me without this. If I scroll down further I see similar boxes for "Trending", "Shorts", and "Celebrate World's Indigenous People's Day." All of this needs to go; in Firefox I don't see any of it because, with ublock origin, I created a cosmetic filter for ytd-rich-section-renderer. "Rich section" indeed... Anyway, I didn't downvote your above comment, which is now flagged as well. Near as I can figure the "modern godwin" accusation leveled against you is either because you mentioned brave (is Eich claimed to be a nazi now?) or because you said Mozilla is being woke. Either way, a very stupid reaction to your inoffensive comment. This place is becoming orange reddit.

endemic 3y ago

I don't believe Mobile Safari has built-in adblock; IIRC you have to install a 3rd party content blocker. Funnily enough, Firefox Focus works as a content blocker, so when I browse with iOS Firefox it blocks the majority of ads.