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I haven't looked to see what licenses are involved, but Pulumi makes liberal use of Terraform providers[1]. And I would definitely consider them to be a Hashico

by jrsdav 3y ago

I haven't looked to see what licenses are involved, but Pulumi makes liberal use of Terraform providers[1]. And I would definitely consider them to be a Hashicorp competitor. [1]: https://www.pulumi.com/docs/concepts/vs/terraform/#:~:text=Using%20Terraform%20Providers,Providers%20ecosystem%20using%20Pulumi%20programs https://www.pulumi.com/docs/concepts/vs/terraform/#:~:text=U.... > Pulumi is able to adapt any Terraform Provider for use with Pulumi, enabling management of any infrastructure supported by the Terraform Providers ecosystem using Pulumi programs.

reilly3000 3y ago
They used to do that but now also have their own providers created by API catalog introspection.
- arianvanp 3y ago
  Which terraform then copied with the AWS Native provider...
arianvanp 3y ago
But they don't out-compete them in any shape or form. I'd call it healthy competition. Pulumi made Hashicorp build Terraform CDK. Which is a great result. And the only reason Hashicorp was able to build CDK quickly is because they built it on top of Amazon's open source Amazon CDK. Another competitor.
- manojlds 3y ago
  Calling Amazon a competitor because they have CDK is ridiculous.
  - deadbunny 3y ago
    Amazon is a competitor due to CloudFormation, Secrets Manager, however many ways to run containers there are now...
    - hughesjj 3y ago
      And SAM, and controltower, and of course the aforementioned cdk
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    Not really. The big question in infra land at our company these days is terraform vs cdk vs pulumi.
  - arianvanp 3y ago
    Could you be more constructive than just saying it's ridiculous? If you're an Amazon shop CDK/CloudFormation definitely is a competitor. Also Terraform now directly integrates with CDK. So apparently Hashicorp felt the heat . Looks like competition to me.
yellowapple 3y ago
TF providers are just wrappers around other APIs - and the vast majority ain't even developed by Hashicorp in the first place. If Pulumi - another open-source infra-as-code tool (that ain't even a fork of any Hashicorp product AFAICT) - is really the thing scaring Hashicorp away from open source, then that doesn't really do Hashicorp any favors here.
- quacker 3y ago
  > TF providers are just wrappers around other APIs If it's so simple, Pulumi could have done this themselves. Why didn't they? Would Pulumi have been as successful without leveraging the vast ecosystem of existing Terraform providers? Now they are a growing Terraform competitor.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    > If it's so simple, Pulumi could have done this themselves. Why didn't they? Because that would be a waste of time unless there's some specific case where an existing provider is insufficient. > Would Pulumi have been as successful without leveraging the vast ecosystem of existing Terraform providers? Now they are a growing Terraform competitor. Pulumi itself is free software, just like Terraform was (and hopefully still is). There is literally nothing stopping Hashicorp from doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction.
    - quacker 3y ago
      Are you pretending they aren't a competitor profiting off that work though? Pulumi is free, except you pay for the features that aren't free: https://www.pulumi.com/pricing/ https://www.pulumi.com/pricing/. So, Pulumi has grown their directly competing product partially on top of the Terraform ecosystem - and I'd argue they'd be half as successful without reusing Terraform providers - and make money off of that product. It's at least understandable to me that Hashicorp doesn't like this.
      - lijok 3y ago

by jrsdav 3y ago

reilly3000 3y ago

They used to do that but now also have their own providers created by API catalog introspection.

arianvanp 3y ago
Which terraform then copied with the AWS Native provider...

arianvanp 3y ago

But they don't out-compete them in any shape or form. I'd call it healthy competition. Pulumi made Hashicorp build Terraform CDK. Which is a great result. And the only reason Hashicorp was able to build CDK quickly is because they built it on top of Amazon's open source Amazon CDK. Another competitor.

manojlds 3y ago
Calling Amazon a competitor because they have CDK is ridiculous.
- deadbunny 3y ago
  Amazon is a competitor due to CloudFormation, Secrets Manager, however many ways to run containers there are now...
  - hughesjj 3y ago
    And SAM, and controltower, and of course the aforementioned cdk
- Aeolun 3y ago
  Not really. The big question in infra land at our company these days is terraform vs cdk vs pulumi.
- arianvanp 3y ago
  Could you be more constructive than just saying it's ridiculous? If you're an Amazon shop CDK/CloudFormation definitely is a competitor. Also Terraform now directly integrates with CDK. So apparently Hashicorp felt the heat . Looks like competition to me.

yellowapple 3y ago

TF providers are just wrappers around other APIs - and the vast majority ain't even developed by Hashicorp in the first place. If Pulumi - another open-source infra-as-code tool (that ain't even a fork of any Hashicorp product AFAICT) - is really the thing scaring Hashicorp away from open source, then that doesn't really do Hashicorp any favors here.

quacker 3y ago
> TF providers are just wrappers around other APIs If it's so simple, Pulumi could have done this themselves. Why didn't they? Would Pulumi have been as successful without leveraging the vast ecosystem of existing Terraform providers? Now they are a growing Terraform competitor.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  > If it's so simple, Pulumi could have done this themselves. Why didn't they? Because that would be a waste of time unless there's some specific case where an existing provider is insufficient. > Would Pulumi have been as successful without leveraging the vast ecosystem of existing Terraform providers? Now they are a growing Terraform competitor. Pulumi itself is free software, just like Terraform was (and hopefully still is). There is literally nothing stopping Hashicorp from doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction.
  - quacker 3y ago
    Are you pretending they aren't a competitor profiting off that work though? Pulumi is free, except you pay for the features that aren't free: https://www.pulumi.com/pricing/ https://www.pulumi.com/pricing/. So, Pulumi has grown their directly competing product partially on top of the Terraform ecosystem - and I'd argue they'd be half as successful without reusing Terraform providers - and make money off of that product. It's at least understandable to me that Hashicorp doesn't like this.
    - lijok 3y ago