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Subway is filthy and unsafe. No one I know would use it late at night. Most of the worthy cultural events are happening around Central Park and downtown. So, if

Subway is filthy and unsafe. No one I know would use it late at night. Most of the worthy cultural events are happening around Central Park and downtown. So, if you want the good parts of New York experience without a slight risk of being stabbed by a crazy person, you better live in a walking distance to one of these locations or commute on a car all the time.

leveredequity 3y ago
This is so disingenuous I don’t even know where to start.
- Itsdijital 3y ago
  Conservative news circles have had this latent anti-NYC thing going on since Trump admonished it as a liberal mecca during his presidency. Then when the pandemic hit and NYC was devastated, they were practically holding group orgy parties to get each other off about the fall of the city. Then when the city started bouncing back it became "Well no, it's bouncing back as a dangerous crime ridden hell hole." The "NYC is dangerous" thing is literally just conservative cope for the failed collapse during the pandemic.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    hating on NYC has been a thing since well before trump. even before george W
    - evanelias 3y ago
      Seriously. The whole "Ford to NYC: Drop Dead" thing was in 1975...
- pclmulqdq 3y ago
  This pretty much describes the New York living experience of someone making a few million or with a trust fund, so it's an all-too-common perspective in Manhattan.
Grazester 3y ago
This is nonsense. Did you just move to NYC or something?
- supertofu 3y ago
  I suspect OP has never lived in New York...
paulgb 3y ago
This describes a very sheltered experience of NYC. There are a ton of cultural events in other boroughs. I don’t know anyone who is afraid to ride the subway and wouldn’t consider it dirty by transit standards. I’ve been in NYC for nine years.
- edouard-harris 3y ago
  Agree with you on the cultural events, but the NYC subway is definitely dirty compared to the systems of the two other cities I've lived in (Toronto and London). I was mostly in LIC and Manhattan though. Maybe it's not so dirty in the other boroughs?
- slily 3y ago
  I question your standards if you don't think that the NYC subway is dirty. I've ridden public transit in several cities across three continents, lived in three NA cities including NYC, and it does not come close. Smelling urine inside a train station is not normal.
  - paulgb 3y ago
    I’ve ridden dozens of transit systems across four continents (I happen to collect transit means of payment as a weird hobby). Smelling urine is not a regular occurrence for me on the L or 4/5/6. Which lines do you usually ride? There are a lot of them and I know the experience varies.
    - slily 3y ago
      I rode the A and the 2/3/4 lines usually. Try standing near the edge of the track. You'll get a whiff. It's not just that either, there's also a ton of litter and way more homeless people in the system than I've seen anywhere else. It's unhygienic to the point that it's a joke to New Yorkers not to get on a train car that's empty. Never seen that elsewhere. Of course the state of the subway is a reflection of the city as a whole rather than an isolated issue, and that's true everywhere in my experience.
  - 3y ago
tetromino_ 3y ago
> No one I know would use it late at night. This does vary depending on the train and the station (I might recommend a tourist to avoid some stations on the J train at 3 am), but overwhelmingly most of the subway is safe at night, and more comfortable than during the day since you can actually get a seat. I ride it late at night, and so do many people I know.
bengold14 3y ago
worthy cultural events.. what? You are missing out on like all of NYC
supertofu 3y ago
Oh my, this isn't true in reality. Yes, there are crazy people on the subway but the vast majority of people encounter them without incident. It's very common to see small groups of kids traveling on the subway alone to get to school and they are perfectly safe. Cultural events in New York city span all 5 boroughs, by the way. Central Park and "downtown" are by no means the cultural heart of the city. Have you even lived in New York???
Terretta 3y ago
We lived in midtown Manhattan for 5 years. To get to the interesting (non tourist trap) 'cultural events' usually took a subway, or for underserved areas, took taxi (via hail, and pay with Curb app) to a borough off Manhattan island. Return to midtown took Lyft/Uber. Commuting by car is an extraordinary waste of time with high opportunity cost unless you use a driver. Yes, the mega events are at Lincoln Center, Broadway, the Met, but that's very much like saying cultural TV is only on ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX.
spread_love 3y ago
> without a slight risk of being stabbed by a crazy person So you've never been to Port Authority...

leveredequity 3y ago

This is so disingenuous I don’t even know where to start.

Itsdijital 3y ago
Conservative news circles have had this latent anti-NYC thing going on since Trump admonished it as a liberal mecca during his presidency. Then when the pandemic hit and NYC was devastated, they were practically holding group orgy parties to get each other off about the fall of the city. Then when the city started bouncing back it became "Well no, it's bouncing back as a dangerous crime ridden hell hole." The "NYC is dangerous" thing is literally just conservative cope for the failed collapse during the pandemic.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  hating on NYC has been a thing since well before trump. even before george W
  - evanelias 3y ago
    Seriously. The whole "Ford to NYC: Drop Dead" thing was in 1975...
pclmulqdq 3y ago
This pretty much describes the New York living experience of someone making a few million or with a trust fund, so it's an all-too-common perspective in Manhattan.

Grazester 3y ago

This is nonsense. Did you just move to NYC or something?

supertofu 3y ago
I suspect OP has never lived in New York...

paulgb 3y ago

This describes a very sheltered experience of NYC. There are a ton of cultural events in other boroughs. I don’t know anyone who is afraid to ride the subway and wouldn’t consider it dirty by transit standards. I’ve been in NYC for nine years.

edouard-harris 3y ago
Agree with you on the cultural events, but the NYC subway is definitely dirty compared to the systems of the two other cities I've lived in (Toronto and London). I was mostly in LIC and Manhattan though. Maybe it's not so dirty in the other boroughs?
slily 3y ago
I question your standards if you don't think that the NYC subway is dirty. I've ridden public transit in several cities across three continents, lived in three NA cities including NYC, and it does not come close. Smelling urine inside a train station is not normal.
- paulgb 3y ago
  I’ve ridden dozens of transit systems across four continents (I happen to collect transit means of payment as a weird hobby). Smelling urine is not a regular occurrence for me on the L or 4/5/6. Which lines do you usually ride? There are a lot of them and I know the experience varies.
  - slily 3y ago
    I rode the A and the 2/3/4 lines usually. Try standing near the edge of the track. You'll get a whiff. It's not just that either, there's also a ton of litter and way more homeless people in the system than I've seen anywhere else. It's unhygienic to the point that it's a joke to New Yorkers not to get on a train car that's empty. Never seen that elsewhere. Of course the state of the subway is a reflection of the city as a whole rather than an isolated issue, and that's true everywhere in my experience.
- 3y ago

tetromino_ 3y ago

> No one I know would use it late at night. This does vary depending on the train and the station (I might recommend a tourist to avoid some stations on the J train at 3 am), but overwhelmingly most of the subway is safe at night, and more comfortable than during the day since you can actually get a seat. I ride it late at night, and so do many people I know.

bengold14 3y ago

worthy cultural events.. what? You are missing out on like all of NYC

supertofu 3y ago

Oh my, this isn't true in reality. Yes, there are crazy people on the subway but the vast majority of people encounter them without incident. It's very common to see small groups of kids traveling on the subway alone to get to school and they are perfectly safe. Cultural events in New York city span all 5 boroughs, by the way. Central Park and "downtown" are by no means the cultural heart of the city. Have you even lived in New York???

Terretta 3y ago

We lived in midtown Manhattan for 5 years. To get to the interesting (non tourist trap) 'cultural events' usually took a subway, or for underserved areas, took taxi (via hail, and pay with Curb app) to a borough off Manhattan island. Return to midtown took Lyft/Uber. Commuting by car is an extraordinary waste of time with high opportunity cost unless you use a driver. Yes, the mega events are at Lincoln Center, Broadway, the Met, but that's very much like saying cultural TV is only on ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX.

spread_love 3y ago

> without a slight risk of being stabbed by a crazy person So you've never been to Port Authority...