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I used to agree with you. But I think we have spent 20+ years teaching people to accept that computers is generally trustworthy, and a lot of people simply do n

by ketzo 3y ago

I used to agree with you. But I think we have spent 20+ years teaching people to accept that computers is generally trustworthy, and a lot of people simply do not know how to separate LLMs from computers more broadly yet. Yeah, I know, “don’t believe what you read on the Internet” — but that’s other people on the Internet. People are used to computers themselves being deterministic, reliable.

Black616Angel 3y ago
Yeah, but why would I input bleach into my recipe-maker? Why would I not look out the front window of my car while driving? Those are basic skills humans in those positions should be able to do. From the headline I thought the AI mixed some food-ingredients to make chlorine gas, which would be really bad. But if one were to only input "battery acid, cut fingernails, hairball, dead smartwatch" what kind of recipe do you think they'll get?
- ketzo 3y ago
  Yes, I agree, I feel pretty good saying that no human being has yet followed through with a bleach recipe. I'm just saying that there's a learning curve, like with all new technologies, and that a population-wide sense of "trust this a little, but not too much" will probably take some time to propagate.
  - Philpax 3y ago
    > I feel pretty good saying that no human being has yet followed through with a bleach recipe. I'm afraid I have bad news for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement
Gigachad 3y ago
If someone goes to a recipe ai and asks it what you can cook with bleach, and then proceeds to make and consume it, there are other problems than AI.
marcosdumay 3y ago
> we have spent 20+ years teaching people to accept that computers is generally trustworthy I really doubt we did. People seem prone to assume the computer is trustworthy since the very beginning (maybe extending it from calculators?) and blatantly refuse to question this assumption. The general assertion of computers' trustworthiness has been causing problems due to bad data or bad algorithms for decades already, there are entire movies about it, and almost everybody has had problem with it already.

by ketzo 3y ago

Black616Angel 3y ago

Yeah, but why would I input bleach into my recipe-maker? Why would I not look out the front window of my car while driving? Those are basic skills humans in those positions should be able to do. From the headline I thought the AI mixed some food-ingredients to make chlorine gas, which would be really bad. But if one were to only input "battery acid, cut fingernails, hairball, dead smartwatch" what kind of recipe do you think they'll get?

ketzo 3y ago
Yes, I agree, I feel pretty good saying that no human being has yet followed through with a bleach recipe. I'm just saying that there's a learning curve, like with all new technologies, and that a population-wide sense of "trust this a little, but not too much" will probably take some time to propagate.
- Philpax 3y ago
  > I feel pretty good saying that no human being has yet followed through with a bleach recipe. I'm afraid I have bad news for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement

Gigachad 3y ago

If someone goes to a recipe ai and asks it what you can cook with bleach, and then proceeds to make and consume it, there are other problems than AI.

marcosdumay 3y ago

> we have spent 20+ years teaching people to accept that computers is generally trustworthy I really doubt we did. People seem prone to assume the computer is trustworthy since the very beginning (maybe extending it from calculators?) and blatantly refuse to question this assumption. The general assertion of computers' trustworthiness has been causing problems due to bad data or bad algorithms for decades already, there are entire movies about it, and almost everybody has had problem with it already.