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To be clear, I'm not comparing China and the US broadly. I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line. Arresting a foreign nationa

To be clear, I'm not comparing China and the US broadly. I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line. Arresting a foreign national for activities not on our soil which are not illegal in their home country, just because we had the opportunity to grab her. Almost any other topic they are worse than us on legal fairness issues.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
The arrest by Canada (not the USA) was justified on Canada's part because of their extradition treaty with us and the USA had a warrant for her arrest. Due process in Canada decided that the Americans didn't have a case for extradition, which was also their right. One can argue that America should have seen the flaws in the extradition case that Canadian due process did, but the case never went to trial in the USA so we will never know if due process in the USA would have come to a similar conclusion as well.
- woooooo 3y ago
  I'm sure the Chinese have a bunch of legalese bullshit for why they locked up those innocent Canadians, but we can look through it and see the real score. Right?
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    The courts aren’t independent from the party/official branch (china technically has one branch of government, the judicial and legislative branches just rubber stamp whatever the official branch wants), so you can’t really trust them one way or the other. There is no nice Mexican stand off balance of power that you’d get from a checks and balances government design.
richbell 3y ago
> Arresting a foreign national for activities not on our soil which are not illegal in their home country Russia has government-sanctioned hacking groups who operate outside of the US. If a member of one of those groups, known to law enforcement, traveled to the USA or Canada do you feel it would be unjust to arrest them? This is a flimsy argument for why the Huawei CFO being detained was unjust, IMO.
- woooooo 3y ago
  But british hacking groups would never ever be arrested for doing the same thing. Politics exists and it drives these decisions, there's nothing more hideous than someone who exercises power to destroy lives and pretends its merely procedure.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > But british hacking groups would never ever be arrested for doing the same thing. Sure they would. What makes you think otherwise?
    - woooooo 3y ago
      Is that a serious question? Russian state-sponsored hackers oppose American interests. British, the opposite.
      - richbell 3y ago
        You're just making stuff up now. Also, your response has nothing to do with your original claim that it's unfair to arrest a non-American citizen for actions committed outside of US soil for something that is not illegal in their home country.
ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line this false narrative claiming a false equivalence was debunked in the below post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37071505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37071505

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

The arrest by Canada (not the USA) was justified on Canada's part because of their extradition treaty with us and the USA had a warrant for her arrest. Due process in Canada decided that the Americans didn't have a case for extradition, which was also their right. One can argue that America should have seen the flaws in the extradition case that Canadian due process did, but the case never went to trial in the USA so we will never know if due process in the USA would have come to a similar conclusion as well.

woooooo 3y ago
I'm sure the Chinese have a bunch of legalese bullshit for why they locked up those innocent Canadians, but we can look through it and see the real score. Right?
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  The courts aren’t independent from the party/official branch (china technically has one branch of government, the judicial and legislative branches just rubber stamp whatever the official branch wants), so you can’t really trust them one way or the other. There is no nice Mexican stand off balance of power that you’d get from a checks and balances government design.

richbell 3y ago

> Arresting a foreign national for activities not on our soil which are not illegal in their home country Russia has government-sanctioned hacking groups who operate outside of the US. If a member of one of those groups, known to law enforcement, traveled to the USA or Canada do you feel it would be unjust to arrest them? This is a flimsy argument for why the Huawei CFO being detained was unjust, IMO.

woooooo 3y ago
But british hacking groups would never ever be arrested for doing the same thing. Politics exists and it drives these decisions, there's nothing more hideous than someone who exercises power to destroy lives and pretends its merely procedure.
- richbell 3y ago
  > But british hacking groups would never ever be arrested for doing the same thing. Sure they would. What makes you think otherwise?
  - woooooo 3y ago
    Is that a serious question? Russian state-sponsored hackers oppose American interests. British, the opposite.
    - richbell 3y ago
      You're just making stuff up now. Also, your response has nothing to do with your original claim that it's unfair to arrest a non-American citizen for actions committed outside of US soil for something that is not illegal in their home country.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

> I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line this false narrative claiming a false equivalence was debunked in the below post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37071505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37071505