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The US State Department also warns about this: > "Reconsider travel to Mainland China due to the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, including in relation to

The US State Department also warns about this: > "Reconsider travel to Mainland China due to the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, including in relation to exit bans, and the risk of wrongful detentions." https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/china-travel-advisory.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Can anyone speak to the state department’s ability to repatriate you if China enforces an exit ban while in country?
- chii 3y ago
  the state department is a diplomatic apparatus, rather than an enforcement apparatus. They will have to declare war, or some other kind of sanctions, and hope that the country under sanction will comply. I doubt that the US will do it for small numbers of citizens, esp. after these travel advisories given. These travel advisories are essentially saying that you're on your own if you get fucked by china, so don't visit there.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Can anyone speak to the state department’s ability to repatriate you if China enforces an exit ban while in country? The state department has essentially no such general capability beyond negotiation, and in the case of China, specifically, in practice the US government as a whole has little beyond that, too. (They might be able to, if interested, come up with an ad hoc and probably high-risk workaround outside of diplomatic channels if sufficiently motivated and the right confluence of other factors, but I wouldn’t rely on it.)
- c_o_n_v_e_x 3y ago
  The US does not have a sterling reputation for getting their people out of sticky situations in foreign countries... Oh but when they do, they expect to be paid for it. One would have thought that continuing to pay tax to the motherland despite living overseas would help cover the cost of one's evacuation, but I guess not.
- Vecr 3y ago
  The advisory they give is the help you are getting from them. It's not like they can send the FBI Hostage Rescue Team or Delta Force to China anyway, even if they wanted to. They might try to get you out in special situations, for example if a friendly country had terrorists taking hostages confined to a small area or if a small and/or weak country tried something and there was no or only a weak travel advisory before the incident, but even then I would not count on it.
- refurb 3y ago
  The US has no legal authority within China, or any other country, which is why the State Dept website says "You must follow the local laws of the country you visit". It's pretty much a negotiation. The State Dept can try back channels if they think you've been unfairly denied an exit visa, but other than than, there is nothing they can do.
omoikane 3y ago
Related, there was a recent thread that mapped travel advisories for different countries: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/15kh611/travel_advisory_in_different_countries/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/15kh611/travel_adv...

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Can anyone speak to the state department’s ability to repatriate you if China enforces an exit ban while in country?

chii 3y ago
the state department is a diplomatic apparatus, rather than an enforcement apparatus. They will have to declare war, or some other kind of sanctions, and hope that the country under sanction will comply. I doubt that the US will do it for small numbers of citizens, esp. after these travel advisories given. These travel advisories are essentially saying that you're on your own if you get fucked by china, so don't visit there.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Can anyone speak to the state department’s ability to repatriate you if China enforces an exit ban while in country? The state department has essentially no such general capability beyond negotiation, and in the case of China, specifically, in practice the US government as a whole has little beyond that, too. (They might be able to, if interested, come up with an ad hoc and probably high-risk workaround outside of diplomatic channels if sufficiently motivated and the right confluence of other factors, but I wouldn’t rely on it.)
c_o_n_v_e_x 3y ago
The US does not have a sterling reputation for getting their people out of sticky situations in foreign countries... Oh but when they do, they expect to be paid for it. One would have thought that continuing to pay tax to the motherland despite living overseas would help cover the cost of one's evacuation, but I guess not.
Vecr 3y ago
The advisory they give is the help you are getting from them. It's not like they can send the FBI Hostage Rescue Team or Delta Force to China anyway, even if they wanted to. They might try to get you out in special situations, for example if a friendly country had terrorists taking hostages confined to a small area or if a small and/or weak country tried something and there was no or only a weak travel advisory before the incident, but even then I would not count on it.
refurb 3y ago
The US has no legal authority within China, or any other country, which is why the State Dept website says "You must follow the local laws of the country you visit". It's pretty much a negotiation. The State Dept can try back channels if they think you've been unfairly denied an exit visa, but other than than, there is nothing they can do.

omoikane 3y ago

Related, there was a recent thread that mapped travel advisories for different countries: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/15kh611/travel_advisory_in_different_countries/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/15kh611/travel_adv...