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I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. AMD's telemetry doesn't seem to include that: https://www.amd

by pptr 3y ago

I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. AMD's telemetry doesn't seem to include that: https://www.amd.com/en/legal/privacy/user-experience-program.html https://www.amd.com/en/legal/privacy/user-experience-program... I couldn't figure out what telemetry is collected by Nvidia.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. Do you visit Youtube and Twitch other streaming services often? Focus on video decoding. Do you visit sites that heavily utilize graphics[1]? Focus on 3D acceleration. There are reasons this data can be useful, especially since Intel wants to unfuck their otherwise imperially fucked drivers. Websites aren't just plain text with window dressing anymore, they are entire programs unto themselves. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37026592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37026592
- AnonCoward42 3y ago
  > Do you visit Youtube and Twitch other streaming services often? Focus on video decoding. > Do you visit sites that heavily utilize graphics[1]? Focus on 3D acceleration. This is almost cynical. Why not track your user's eyes and record the screen to see where or if visual fidelity at certain parts is necessary? You know, to optimize the architecture.
  - fooker 3y ago
    > Why not track ... Coming soon to software near you!
    - yomlica8 3y ago
      Isn't this already a part of meta VR headsets?
  - veave 3y ago
    What's cynical is saying that there is no value in knowing if users watch video in browsers and comparing it to eyeball tracking.
    - daneel_w 3y ago
      Though that wasn't their statement. Of course there's value in it. The question is if it's value for the customer or just plain abuse.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        If the product improves quality of life for the user, yes there is value for the user. Everyone likes better software, right? The problem is, of course, that products seldom improve with use of telemetry, but that is beside the point.
        AnonCoward42 3y ago
        What is the point then? Justifying telemetry? Because the value for the user is at least very close to zero, but the privacy implications are not.
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        The question posed was why Intel would want to track what websites you visited for their video drivers. I answered why. That was followed up by asking if telemetry has value for the user. I answered it can. The reality of products generally not improving with telemetry is beside the point. That is a problem with the people using the telemetric data.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        > I answered why. I don't think that you did, though. The data that is gathered by monitoring what websites you go to can be obtained without monitoring what websites you go to. So why do they feel the need to monitor what sites you go to? My answer to that is "marketing purposes".
- api 3y ago
  You could gather that information by just reporting anonymous internal telemetry about what kind of computational work the GPU is doing.
- HeckFeck 3y ago
  Do they need telemetry to know this? I could ask around, but I don't think anyone exists who doesn't game and also watch video on the same system. Should Creative also track my listening habits, to determine whether soundcard development resources need pooled into system sounds or MP3 decoding? Wouldn't that be a tad silly of them? It seems a bit post-facto to me.
  - fyver 3y ago
    > I don't think anyone exists who doesn't game and also watch video on the same system. Actually I have a dedicated computer connected to my TV to watch videos. My gaming computer is dedicated to gaming (and doesn't get much use these days). I have a Linux computer for everything else.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Surely they don't need to monitor the websites you visit to get this information. They can see what the GPU is being asked to do, after all, which would tell them everything they need to know.
  - hn92726819 3y ago
    I've noticed an influx of awful takes that seem like astroturfing like the one you replied to... Anyway, if you open task manager, they show you what the GPU is doing https://imgur.com/a/gM1pgoI https://imgur.com/a/gM1pgoI
- drowsspa 3y ago
  I know we're supposed to assume good faith here, but it's very hard when we read justifications like this.
- jlarocco 3y ago
  That's BS. Intel needs spyware to know people are visiting YouTube? Give me a break.

by pptr 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

>I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. Do you visit Youtube and Twitch other streaming services often? Focus on video decoding. Do you visit sites that heavily utilize graphics[1]? Focus on 3D acceleration. There are reasons this data can be useful, especially since Intel wants to unfuck their otherwise imperially fucked drivers. Websites aren't just plain text with window dressing anymore, they are entire programs unto themselves. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37026592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37026592

AnonCoward42 3y ago
> Do you visit Youtube and Twitch other streaming services often? Focus on video decoding. > Do you visit sites that heavily utilize graphics[1]? Focus on 3D acceleration. This is almost cynical. Why not track your user's eyes and record the screen to see where or if visual fidelity at certain parts is necessary? You know, to optimize the architecture.
- fooker 3y ago
  > Why not track ... Coming soon to software near you!
  - yomlica8 3y ago
    Isn't this already a part of meta VR headsets?
- veave 3y ago
  What's cynical is saying that there is no value in knowing if users watch video in browsers and comparing it to eyeball tracking.
  - daneel_w 3y ago
    Though that wasn't their statement. Of course there's value in it. The question is if it's value for the customer or just plain abuse.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      If the product improves quality of life for the user, yes there is value for the user. Everyone likes better software, right? The problem is, of course, that products seldom improve with use of telemetry, but that is beside the point.
      - AnonCoward42 3y ago
        What is the point then? Justifying telemetry? Because the value for the user is at least very close to zero, but the privacy implications are not.
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        The question posed was why Intel would want to track what websites you visited for their video drivers. I answered why. That was followed up by asking if telemetry has value for the user. I answered it can. The reality of products generally not improving with telemetry is beside the point. That is a problem with the people using the telemetric data.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        > I answered why. I don't think that you did, though. The data that is gathered by monitoring what websites you go to can be obtained without monitoring what websites you go to. So why do they feel the need to monitor what sites you go to? My answer to that is "marketing purposes".
api 3y ago
You could gather that information by just reporting anonymous internal telemetry about what kind of computational work the GPU is doing.
HeckFeck 3y ago
Do they need telemetry to know this? I could ask around, but I don't think anyone exists who doesn't game and also watch video on the same system. Should Creative also track my listening habits, to determine whether soundcard development resources need pooled into system sounds or MP3 decoding? Wouldn't that be a tad silly of them? It seems a bit post-facto to me.
- fyver 3y ago
  > I don't think anyone exists who doesn't game and also watch video on the same system. Actually I have a dedicated computer connected to my TV to watch videos. My gaming computer is dedicated to gaming (and doesn't get much use these days). I have a Linux computer for everything else.
JohnFen 3y ago
Surely they don't need to monitor the websites you visit to get this information. They can see what the GPU is being asked to do, after all, which would tell them everything they need to know.
- hn92726819 3y ago
  I've noticed an influx of awful takes that seem like astroturfing like the one you replied to... Anyway, if you open task manager, they show you what the GPU is doing https://imgur.com/a/gM1pgoI https://imgur.com/a/gM1pgoI
drowsspa 3y ago
I know we're supposed to assume good faith here, but it's very hard when we read justifications like this.
jlarocco 3y ago
That's BS. Intel needs spyware to know people are visiting YouTube? Give me a break.