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Are you implying those cases aren't valid health issues? It's more like people will work with chronic pain if they can, but if there's no work they'll sign up f

Are you implying those cases aren't valid health issues? It's more like people will work with chronic pain if they can, but if there's no work they'll sign up for the disability. Depression is also deeply unsurprising in the situation you're describing.

shortrounddev2 3y ago
I'm sure some of them are, but there's a strong financial incentive to develop health problems in towns where there are no jobs.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  There's a strong financial incentive to do all kinds of crimes. That doesn't make it reasonable to go around accusing large swathes of people based solely on their demographics.
  - nradov 3y ago
    There are clearly many people who are physically capable of doing some sort of work despite their medical conditions, but have found a sympathetic doctor who declared them to be fully disabled. In most cases this probably doesn't meet the definition of criminal fraud but it's certainly not what the program was intended for. https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
  - shortrounddev2 3y ago
    The demographics are people who are out of work and have an incentive to stay off of work. Im sure they truly believe they cannot work, especially because if they do, they lose their checks
dahwolf 3y ago
There's no need to imply anything as this very much happens. In the late 90s the Netherlands had extremely generous disability benefits. It was so generous that a US president that visited wondered why anybody would work at all in this country? All of a sudden, we had a full 1 million people of working age on permanent disability. And yes, the vast majority on claims of "back pain" and "depression" which both conveniently cannot be medically disproved. You'd receive some 70-90% of your last/highest paycheck, and get this benefit for life. So you can basically retire at any age on a full work salary. Everybody over here would know several people in their circles fully abusing this. It was widespread. None of this is surprising. Getting money whilst not needing to work is attractive.

shortrounddev2 3y ago

I'm sure some of them are, but there's a strong financial incentive to develop health problems in towns where there are no jobs.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
There's a strong financial incentive to do all kinds of crimes. That doesn't make it reasonable to go around accusing large swathes of people based solely on their demographics.
- nradov 3y ago
  There are clearly many people who are physically capable of doing some sort of work despite their medical conditions, but have found a sympathetic doctor who declared them to be fully disabled. In most cases this probably doesn't meet the definition of criminal fraud but it's certainly not what the program was intended for. https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
- shortrounddev2 3y ago
  The demographics are people who are out of work and have an incentive to stay off of work. Im sure they truly believe they cannot work, especially because if they do, they lose their checks

dahwolf 3y ago

There's no need to imply anything as this very much happens. In the late 90s the Netherlands had extremely generous disability benefits. It was so generous that a US president that visited wondered why anybody would work at all in this country? All of a sudden, we had a full 1 million people of working age on permanent disability. And yes, the vast majority on claims of "back pain" and "depression" which both conveniently cannot be medically disproved. You'd receive some 70-90% of your last/highest paycheck, and get this benefit for life. So you can basically retire at any age on a full work salary. Everybody over here would know several people in their circles fully abusing this. It was widespread. None of this is surprising. Getting money whilst not needing to work is attractive.