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The full headline is "...to evade regulators’ reach", which is much clearer.

ikue 3y ago
I had a problem with including the full headline because only so many characters could be used in the title of the post.
- yorwba 3y ago
  Banks fined millions for using chat apps to evade regulators
- richbell 3y ago
  That makes sense. The title character limit seems to be a cause of frequent confusion.
  - ikue 3y ago
    It does and the limit makes it come off as clickbait-y which I don't like.
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      Personally, I sympathize. Rewriting headlines here (when necessary) can be tough; it isn't a given that the optimal one will reveal itself.
- psychphysic 3y ago
  You could have used "Banks fined millions evading regulation with Signal & WhatsApp" News headlines have rules they use to make for shorter sentences. They'd probably write "Banks fined millions, delete records, use E2E apps"
  - kolbe 3y ago
    Here's a link to the actual press release: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-149 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-149 It makes no mention of evading regulation. This fine is for a failure to retain written communications. Which is impossible to do for some of these communications channels.
    - HPsquared 3y ago
      Intent is harder to prove.
      - kolbe 3y ago
        What do you think we should assume about your communications on encrypted channels? This entire thing is yet another federal effort to criminalize encrypted communications, and it even works on the HN crowd. All they have to say is "big banks bad" and people here go from freedom fighters to government pawns.
        nradov 3y ago
        This has nothing to do with encryption. Banks are free to encrypt their communications. But they need to keep communication logs and make the plain text available to regulators in certain circumstances.
        tqi 3y ago
        That's not what is happening here.
        doesnt_know 3y ago
        It's end to end encryption, as in, there are ends on each side where it is decrypted, usually for the humans to read. At the ends the records should have been maintained, the regulations aren't incompatible with E2E.
        kolbe 3y ago

ikue 3y ago

I had a problem with including the full headline because only so many characters could be used in the title of the post.

yorwba 3y ago
Banks fined millions for using chat apps to evade regulators
richbell 3y ago
That makes sense. The title character limit seems to be a cause of frequent confusion.
- ikue 3y ago
  It does and the limit makes it come off as clickbait-y which I don't like.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    Personally, I sympathize. Rewriting headlines here (when necessary) can be tough; it isn't a given that the optimal one will reveal itself.
psychphysic 3y ago
You could have used "Banks fined millions evading regulation with Signal & WhatsApp" News headlines have rules they use to make for shorter sentences. They'd probably write "Banks fined millions, delete records, use E2E apps"
- kolbe 3y ago
  Here's a link to the actual press release: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-149 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-149 It makes no mention of evading regulation. This fine is for a failure to retain written communications. Which is impossible to do for some of these communications channels.
  - HPsquared 3y ago
    Intent is harder to prove.
    - kolbe 3y ago
      What do you think we should assume about your communications on encrypted channels? This entire thing is yet another federal effort to criminalize encrypted communications, and it even works on the HN crowd. All they have to say is "big banks bad" and people here go from freedom fighters to government pawns.
      - nradov 3y ago
        This has nothing to do with encryption. Banks are free to encrypt their communications. But they need to keep communication logs and make the plain text available to regulators in certain circumstances.
      - tqi 3y ago
        That's not what is happening here.
      - doesnt_know 3y ago
        It's end to end encryption, as in, there are ends on each side where it is decrypted, usually for the humans to read. At the ends the records should have been maintained, the regulations aren't incompatible with E2E.
        kolbe 3y ago