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I don't agree. Maybe don't run WordPress that makes 100+ dB queries before first page load on some cheap $2 vps. There are all kinds of tools that you can easi

I don't agree. Maybe don't run WordPress that makes 100+ dB queries before first page load on some cheap $2 vps. There are all kinds of tools that you can easily deal with bots and the large DDOS your ISP can handle for you if you are willing to pay for it.

crote 3y ago
> the large DDOS your ISP can handle for you if you are willing to pay for it That's exactly what people are paying Cloudflare for, because contrary to your local ISP they are actually competent at blocking a DDOS attack. People use services like Cloudflare exactly because they don't want to spend a fortune on complex infrastructure just to deal with abuse. Even a mostly-static page running on a reasonably-specced server can easily be overwhelmed by an attack. Why spend $1000 / month on hardware when you can spend $100 / month on Cloudflare's protection?
- thedaly 3y ago
  > That's exactly what people are paying Cloudflare for Cloudflare actually provides this service for free (for simple use cases at least). I don't know how to come down on this issue. On one hand, I am against the centralization of cloudflare and the risks that come with it. On the other hand, cloudflare allows almost anyone to set up a simple website and serve it to large numbers of people with very little resources/cost and advanced protection from DDOS attacks.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Similar mindset... also really intrigued with their developer tools as well. Workers, pages, D1, KV, etc. I was playing with a static site generator that deploys directly to a Cloudflare Pages setup, and it's lighning fast everywhere.
    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      Psst https://ai.cloudflare.com/ https://ai.cloudflare.com/ Note: light use-cases ( or should I say shared models?). Not heavy GPU tasks
      - tracker1 3y ago
        And yet why I am not a fan of a lot of this... input: This is fucking badass! result: [ { "label": "NEGATIVE", "score": 0.9994425177574158 } ]
amadeuspagel 3y ago
Well, if some website you like uses cloudflare to block bots, maybe you can offer them some help to pay for these tools and to set them up?

crote 3y ago

> the large DDOS your ISP can handle for you if you are willing to pay for it That's exactly what people are paying Cloudflare for, because contrary to your local ISP they are actually competent at blocking a DDOS attack. People use services like Cloudflare exactly because they don't want to spend a fortune on complex infrastructure just to deal with abuse. Even a mostly-static page running on a reasonably-specced server can easily be overwhelmed by an attack. Why spend $1000 / month on hardware when you can spend $100 / month on Cloudflare's protection?

thedaly 3y ago
> That's exactly what people are paying Cloudflare for Cloudflare actually provides this service for free (for simple use cases at least). I don't know how to come down on this issue. On one hand, I am against the centralization of cloudflare and the risks that come with it. On the other hand, cloudflare allows almost anyone to set up a simple website and serve it to large numbers of people with very little resources/cost and advanced protection from DDOS attacks.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Similar mindset... also really intrigued with their developer tools as well. Workers, pages, D1, KV, etc. I was playing with a static site generator that deploys directly to a Cloudflare Pages setup, and it's lighning fast everywhere.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    Psst https://ai.cloudflare.com/ https://ai.cloudflare.com/ Note: light use-cases ( or should I say shared models?). Not heavy GPU tasks
    - tracker1 3y ago
      And yet why I am not a fan of a lot of this... input: This is fucking badass! result: [ { "label": "NEGATIVE", "score": 0.9994425177574158 } ]

amadeuspagel 3y ago

Well, if some website you like uses cloudflare to block bots, maybe you can offer them some help to pay for these tools and to set them up?