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This provokes the same feeling as running Wine on Windows for me: ultimately useful but outright chaotic in nature.

by jwrallie 3y ago

stOneskull 3y ago
they should just make an awesome FirefoxOS
- oasis4005 3y ago
  FirefoxOS was too ahead of its time. Robust in idea, lacking in proper marketing and objective understanding. Now we've got direct USB to browser capabilities and no web first OS. Backwards but true. For those not aware: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS
  - nologic01 3y ago
    > FirefoxOS was too ahead of its time I think it was just-in-time but competing against incredible odds. It was perfectly usable as a first step (I had a cheap ZTE phone [1]) but it came out as the craze for ever more powerful mobiles for taking selfies and sliding down media on social media was reaching feverish levels. I think of the intervening decade as a lost decade. Imagine if the project did not fold and had iterated this entire time... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE_Open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE_Open
    - pyr0hu 3y ago
      I won a dev phone on a competition near my uni (the competition was who will be the fastest to create a simple app for FFOS and I just created a simple html page with a hello world in <p> tags lol), some ZTE one I think. Developed a few games just for myself, it was a fun tech tbh, but the phone was pretty unstable so after a time it just collected dust on my shelf and I sold it to someone.
      - pyr0hu 3y ago
        ps.: it was this one not a ZTE: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/01/announcing-the-firefox-os-developer-preview-phone/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/01/announcing-the-firefox-os-...
  - puzzlingcaptcha 3y ago
    FirefoxOS sort of lives on through the KaiOS fork, unfortunately many devices come locked which prevents from installing homebrew apps. I have a rooted Nokia 2720 Flip, and while the hardware is abysmal (KaiOS is targeted at emerging markets) you can get quite a bit of functionality out of it (including openstreetmap, podcast/music players, rss readers, google-authenticator-compatible TOTP etc).
- cassepipe 3y ago
  They tried to make a FirefoxOs for mobile in the past. It even shipped with some phone then in true Mozilla fashion (am I being harsh ?) they dumped it and then it became a hit, rebranded as KaiOs in developping countries for unpowerful smartphones
  - twelvechairs 3y ago
    There's /e/os now. I stand to be corrected but a lot of the privacy issues are more about the ubiquity of 'Google Play Services' rather than Android as a base OS. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system)
    - opan 3y ago
      Not sure why this gets recommended over LineageOS. It forcefully comes with Micro G, which can't really be removed, unlike Lineage where you can just choose not to install any gapps of any kind and use the device fine.
      - notpushkin 3y ago
        I think shipping microG by default is a fine choice nowadays. In default setup, it doesn't connect to Google servers at all (/e/ might have different configuration though), but it enables maps and geolocation in apps (using different APIs, not Google). It is also relatively small (4 MB should not be a problem on most devices). That said, I think a no-gapps build would be nice to have, too. (I use LineageOS as well, though. It works with microG too, but you need to get a build from here instead of the official one: https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/)
        yellowapple 3y ago
        I gave /e/OS and microG a whirl when I bought my Fairphone (Murena preinstalls it on the phones they sell in the US), and it was cool how much it was able to do without the "real" gApps, but two snags ended up being showstoppers and pushed me to my usual LineageOS+gApps: 1. The Google account for my day job has various security settings that block authentication under various circumstances, including (I guess) Google services running under different signatures/IDs than expected 2. The App Lounge was really crashy for reasons I was never able to discern, and there was little rhyme or reason to certain Play Store apps being missing or uninstallable (namely: my banking app and T-Mobile's voicemail app)
dz0ny 3y ago
BTW Chrome is also run through the same layer now, to speed up the updates. Albeit is more integrated into the OS, but it's no near the wine you are talking about.
veave 3y ago
What's the purpose of running Wine on Windows?
- SSLy 3y ago
  wine sometimes has superior compat for some XP/vista era vidya than modern windows.
  - theyeenzbeanz 3y ago
    90% of legacy 90s/00s 32 bit era programs won’t launch no matter what on windows, so I’ll have to give this a try.
    - magic_hamster 3y ago
      PCem is also very good.
      - Dwedit 3y ago
        PCem is intended for things before the Pentium II released in 1997. PCem will go up to Pentium MMX.
    - itsTyrion 3y ago
      I didn’t even know you can run WINE on Windows
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    DXVK in particular is one of the recommended ways to get Fallout 3/NV working reasonably well, too.
- desi_ninja 3y ago
  This : winevdm http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/otvdm.html http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/otvdm.html

This provokes the same feeling as running Wine on Windows for me: ultimately useful but outright chaotic in nature.

stOneskull 3y ago

they should just make an awesome FirefoxOS

oasis4005 3y ago
FirefoxOS was too ahead of its time. Robust in idea, lacking in proper marketing and objective understanding. Now we've got direct USB to browser capabilities and no web first OS. Backwards but true. For those not aware: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS
- nologic01 3y ago
  > FirefoxOS was too ahead of its time I think it was just-in-time but competing against incredible odds. It was perfectly usable as a first step (I had a cheap ZTE phone [1]) but it came out as the craze for ever more powerful mobiles for taking selfies and sliding down media on social media was reaching feverish levels. I think of the intervening decade as a lost decade. Imagine if the project did not fold and had iterated this entire time... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE_Open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE_Open
  - pyr0hu 3y ago
    I won a dev phone on a competition near my uni (the competition was who will be the fastest to create a simple app for FFOS and I just created a simple html page with a hello world in <p> tags lol), some ZTE one I think. Developed a few games just for myself, it was a fun tech tbh, but the phone was pretty unstable so after a time it just collected dust on my shelf and I sold it to someone.
    - pyr0hu 3y ago
      ps.: it was this one not a ZTE: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/01/announcing-the-firefox-os-developer-preview-phone/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/01/announcing-the-firefox-os-...
- puzzlingcaptcha 3y ago
  FirefoxOS sort of lives on through the KaiOS fork, unfortunately many devices come locked which prevents from installing homebrew apps. I have a rooted Nokia 2720 Flip, and while the hardware is abysmal (KaiOS is targeted at emerging markets) you can get quite a bit of functionality out of it (including openstreetmap, podcast/music players, rss readers, google-authenticator-compatible TOTP etc).
cassepipe 3y ago
They tried to make a FirefoxOs for mobile in the past. It even shipped with some phone then in true Mozilla fashion (am I being harsh ?) they dumped it and then it became a hit, rebranded as KaiOs in developping countries for unpowerful smartphones
- twelvechairs 3y ago
  There's /e/os now. I stand to be corrected but a lot of the privacy issues are more about the ubiquity of 'Google Play Services' rather than Android as a base OS. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system)
  - opan 3y ago
    Not sure why this gets recommended over LineageOS. It forcefully comes with Micro G, which can't really be removed, unlike Lineage where you can just choose not to install any gapps of any kind and use the device fine.
    - notpushkin 3y ago
      I think shipping microG by default is a fine choice nowadays. In default setup, it doesn't connect to Google servers at all (/e/ might have different configuration though), but it enables maps and geolocation in apps (using different APIs, not Google). It is also relatively small (4 MB should not be a problem on most devices). That said, I think a no-gapps build would be nice to have, too. (I use LineageOS as well, though. It works with microG too, but you need to get a build from here instead of the official one: https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/)
      - yellowapple 3y ago
        I gave /e/OS and microG a whirl when I bought my Fairphone (Murena preinstalls it on the phones they sell in the US), and it was cool how much it was able to do without the "real" gApps, but two snags ended up being showstoppers and pushed me to my usual LineageOS+gApps: 1. The Google account for my day job has various security settings that block authentication under various circumstances, including (I guess) Google services running under different signatures/IDs than expected 2. The App Lounge was really crashy for reasons I was never able to discern, and there was little rhyme or reason to certain Play Store apps being missing or uninstallable (namely: my banking app and T-Mobile's voicemail app)

dz0ny 3y ago

BTW Chrome is also run through the same layer now, to speed up the updates. Albeit is more integrated into the OS, but it's no near the wine you are talking about.

veave 3y ago

What's the purpose of running Wine on Windows?

SSLy 3y ago
wine sometimes has superior compat for some XP/vista era vidya than modern windows.
- theyeenzbeanz 3y ago
  90% of legacy 90s/00s 32 bit era programs won’t launch no matter what on windows, so I’ll have to give this a try.
  - magic_hamster 3y ago
    PCem is also very good.
    - Dwedit 3y ago
      PCem is intended for things before the Pentium II released in 1997. PCem will go up to Pentium MMX.
  - itsTyrion 3y ago
    I didn’t even know you can run WINE on Windows
- yellowapple 3y ago
  DXVK in particular is one of the recommended ways to get Fallout 3/NV working reasonably well, too.
desi_ninja 3y ago
This : winevdm http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/otvdm.html http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/otvdm.html