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> deprived of sales but the post above explain an arduous process for a purchase, and i would expect that there's not an insignificant number of people who wou

by chii 3y ago

> deprived of sales but the post above explain an arduous process for a purchase, and i would expect that there's not an insignificant number of people who would've given up in the middle. So do you also feel that you need to make the same complaint of a lost sale to amazon? Why target pirates specifically? Whether they _consumed_ content or not, is irrelevant - in both scenarios, you would've "lost" a sale.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Have you considered accessing freely-licensed content instead, and supporting authors who believe in the freedom movement, such as Creative Commons?
- Ruthalas 3y ago
  Can you direct me to some of these? Perhaps some you recommend? That sounds interesting, but I don't know where to find such content.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    There are tons of them available. Here's the Creative Commons Search portal: https://search.creativecommons.org/ https://search.creativecommons.org/ I tried Openverse and Europeana. Some of these appear to categorize eBooks as "images", or perhaps they are just promotional images for unfree books. Tens of thousands of results. Here's a Google Books search. I was unable to find a "search for license" type thing, but you can search for "Fully viewable" or "Google eBooks only": https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=-copyright&tbs=,bkv:f&num=100 https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=-copyright&tbs... My father loves HathiTrust, and so do many other people who love freedom: https://www.hathitrust.org/ https://www.hathitrust.org/ Of course you know the Internet Archive and Open Library: https://openlibrary.org/ https://openlibrary.org/ Wikisource hosts lots of freely-licensed text, in many, many languages; here's English: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page Never forget the O.G. PD site, Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ https://www.gutenberg.org/ Also, while it is not the written word, it is based on awesome freely-available books, and perhaps you could consider adding to the library at LibriVox: https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=0&search_category=author&search_page=1&search_form=get_results https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=0&search_category=au... My classmates at school ate this stuff up when I volunteered that there are sites where you can find awesome public domain reference material that's often better-quality than the paywalled stuff you pay for. Don't forget the Open Textbooks and freely licensed academic materials. Community colleges and universities will direct you to those. https://oercommons.org/hubs/open-textbooks https://oercommons.org/hubs/open-textbooks https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks Don't forget niche uses and special interests. Want to overcome your addiction to porn? Download some free eBooks: https://www.covenanteyes.com/e-books/ https://www.covenanteyes.com/e-books/
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  I’m not sure that most books are at all fungible. Also do many book authors actually publish under Creative Commons?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Have you considered not accepting intellectual property as a legitimate concept to begin with? It makes no sense to even speak of "freely licensed" anything once you do that.
brigandish 3y ago
Arduous is overstating it by a long way. Frustrating, bothersome, annoying, inconsiderate, stupid, yes. Arduous? I used to carry a walkman, several tapes, and spare batteries with me every day; I used to carry a book to read in one pocket and often another, smaller book in another, and even occasionally a newspaper under my arm. Buying a book or any media online is not arduous, even if it's as described. What it does show is that innovative businesses will, over time, become like the dinosaurs they out-competed, and leave room for something new. Piracy will probably always be there, even when buying is not arduous.
- corndoge 3y ago
  It's arduous relative to today's standards and relative to piracy.
  - brigandish 3y ago
    Carrying those books wasn't arduous, except when I travelled around Asia and decided my main bag should be books. Big books. Almost ruined my back. Words have meaning. Arduous it ain't.
    - chii 3y ago
      Tiresome doesn't necessarily mean physically tired. Words do have meaning, and you would know if you read those meaning to understand the idea being presented.
      - brigandish 3y ago
        Arduous never means "something that is slightly inconvenient" unless one is prone to exaggeration and has the forbearance of a child. > Tiresome doesn't necessarily mean physically tired. Not necessarily, no, not at all. I suggest a dictionary. Back in the day, people who cared about reading and the meaning of words would keep one handy, often next to the bed.
        3y ago
friendzis 3y ago
> but the post above explain an arduous process for a purchase, and i would expect that there's not an insignificant number of people who would've given up in the middle. Honestly, I would have given up at the very first step. It clearly says that the content is available, but vendor is explicitly refusing to serve the content.

by chii 3y ago

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

Have you considered accessing freely-licensed content instead, and supporting authors who believe in the freedom movement, such as Creative Commons?

Ruthalas 3y ago
Can you direct me to some of these? Perhaps some you recommend? That sounds interesting, but I don't know where to find such content.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  There are tons of them available. Here's the Creative Commons Search portal: https://search.creativecommons.org/ https://search.creativecommons.org/ I tried Openverse and Europeana. Some of these appear to categorize eBooks as "images", or perhaps they are just promotional images for unfree books. Tens of thousands of results. Here's a Google Books search. I was unable to find a "search for license" type thing, but you can search for "Fully viewable" or "Google eBooks only": https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=-copyright&tbs=,bkv:f&num=100 https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=-copyright&tbs... My father loves HathiTrust, and so do many other people who love freedom: https://www.hathitrust.org/ https://www.hathitrust.org/ Of course you know the Internet Archive and Open Library: https://openlibrary.org/ https://openlibrary.org/ Wikisource hosts lots of freely-licensed text, in many, many languages; here's English: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page Never forget the O.G. PD site, Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ https://www.gutenberg.org/ Also, while it is not the written word, it is based on awesome freely-available books, and perhaps you could consider adding to the library at LibriVox: https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=0&search_category=author&search_page=1&search_form=get_results https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=0&search_category=au... My classmates at school ate this stuff up when I volunteered that there are sites where you can find awesome public domain reference material that's often better-quality than the paywalled stuff you pay for. Don't forget the Open Textbooks and freely licensed academic materials. Community colleges and universities will direct you to those. https://oercommons.org/hubs/open-textbooks https://oercommons.org/hubs/open-textbooks https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks Don't forget niche uses and special interests. Want to overcome your addiction to porn? Download some free eBooks: https://www.covenanteyes.com/e-books/ https://www.covenanteyes.com/e-books/
ffhhttt 3y ago
I’m not sure that most books are at all fungible. Also do many book authors actually publish under Creative Commons?
matheusmoreira 3y ago
Have you considered not accepting intellectual property as a legitimate concept to begin with? It makes no sense to even speak of "freely licensed" anything once you do that.

brigandish 3y ago

Arduous is overstating it by a long way. Frustrating, bothersome, annoying, inconsiderate, stupid, yes. Arduous? I used to carry a walkman, several tapes, and spare batteries with me every day; I used to carry a book to read in one pocket and often another, smaller book in another, and even occasionally a newspaper under my arm. Buying a book or any media online is not arduous, even if it's as described. What it does show is that innovative businesses will, over time, become like the dinosaurs they out-competed, and leave room for something new. Piracy will probably always be there, even when buying is not arduous.

corndoge 3y ago
It's arduous relative to today's standards and relative to piracy.
- brigandish 3y ago
  Carrying those books wasn't arduous, except when I travelled around Asia and decided my main bag should be books. Big books. Almost ruined my back. Words have meaning. Arduous it ain't.
  - chii 3y ago
    Tiresome doesn't necessarily mean physically tired. Words do have meaning, and you would know if you read those meaning to understand the idea being presented.
    - brigandish 3y ago
      Arduous never means "something that is slightly inconvenient" unless one is prone to exaggeration and has the forbearance of a child. > Tiresome doesn't necessarily mean physically tired. Not necessarily, no, not at all. I suggest a dictionary. Back in the day, people who cared about reading and the meaning of words would keep one handy, often next to the bed.
      - 3y ago

friendzis 3y ago

> but the post above explain an arduous process for a purchase, and i would expect that there's not an insignificant number of people who would've given up in the middle. Honestly, I would have given up at the very first step. It clearly says that the content is available, but vendor is explicitly refusing to serve the content.