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Quick - name the CEO of Toyota. Can't do it? How about Volkswagen? Still no? These are the two largest car companies in the world. Honestly, I think Tesla woul

Quick - name the CEO of Toyota. Can't do it? How about Volkswagen? Still no? These are the two largest car companies in the world. Honestly, I think Tesla would be better off if Musk were to go away - at this point. Musk really is the perennial entrepreneur. He's a great idea man, and he can get a company built and make that idea come to life. But he can't run a business. I think Musk has overstayed his welcome at Tesla. He did it - he took EV's from the niche that hardly anybody paid attention to and made them mainstream. Bravo! I never would have thought he could have done it - but he did. Now it's becoming clear it's time for him to step away and tackle another problem. Otherwise he risks interfering with his own success.

aeternum 3y ago
Dojo could be a gamechanger for AI if they can create the right compiler tooling. Optimus also has potential but needs a personality like Musk's to bring it to fruition. Without him both of the projects will likely be abandoned.
- elkos 3y ago
  I'm not familiar with Dojo and Optimus, are these some upcoming Tesla car lines like the Cybertruck?
  - aeternum 3y ago
    Nope
panick21_ 3y ago
Is there any evidence that Musk has overstayed his welcome based on any actual numbers. It seems the me the only evidence is that people now like him less, and somehow that now makes him bad at being CEO. Sorry, don't really see the connection.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  I test drove a Tesla in early 2022, and was set to buy one. I am no longer interested in a Tesla in the slightest. The reason why is Elon Musk's behavior. Not a single person in my friend group wants a Tesla now.
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    So anecdotal evidence based on your personal friend group and no actual data about sales or demand?
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      Yes. It’s obviously anecdotal evidence. There has never been another time in my life where I was about to pull the trigger on $40k and walked it back. We aren’t talking about not buying bud light or Nike shoes here. A lost car sale to a competitor over unnecessary behavior from a CEO is absolutely wild. It has the potential of working out for Tesla if they pull in more Conservative Buyers… but the boys back in my rural hometown aren’t interested in a Cybertruck over a Ford (this is more anecdotal evidence).
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    It feels weird not to drive a car because you don't like the CEO. Maybe that's just me though. Usually scummy CEOs lead obviously scummy companies (think Oracle), and I wouldn't want their products at all. Musk defies that: he is questionable in personality and ethics but SpaceX/Tesla are honestly great companies with good products.
sidibe 3y ago
Tesla's market cap is much larger than those two companies combined. Tesla the company would probably be better off with a serious, responsible CEO. But it will be an ugly ripping the band-aid off moment for the stock, which is valued based on Elon's rosy promises (50% annual growth, real FSD, Optimus, etc) that no one believes his successor would achieve
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Isn't the CEO of Nissan some Brazilian guy who escaped jail in Japan? Honestly, besides Tesla, Nissan is the only other company I can think of, and he is the ex-CEO, but almost as interesting (notorious?) as Musk so we actually remember who he is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn

aeternum 3y ago

Dojo could be a gamechanger for AI if they can create the right compiler tooling. Optimus also has potential but needs a personality like Musk's to bring it to fruition. Without him both of the projects will likely be abandoned.

elkos 3y ago
I'm not familiar with Dojo and Optimus, are these some upcoming Tesla car lines like the Cybertruck?
- aeternum 3y ago
  Nope

panick21_ 3y ago

Is there any evidence that Musk has overstayed his welcome based on any actual numbers. It seems the me the only evidence is that people now like him less, and somehow that now makes him bad at being CEO. Sorry, don't really see the connection.

nickthegreek 3y ago
I test drove a Tesla in early 2022, and was set to buy one. I am no longer interested in a Tesla in the slightest. The reason why is Elon Musk's behavior. Not a single person in my friend group wants a Tesla now.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  So anecdotal evidence based on your personal friend group and no actual data about sales or demand?
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    Yes. It’s obviously anecdotal evidence. There has never been another time in my life where I was about to pull the trigger on $40k and walked it back. We aren’t talking about not buying bud light or Nike shoes here. A lost car sale to a competitor over unnecessary behavior from a CEO is absolutely wild. It has the potential of working out for Tesla if they pull in more Conservative Buyers… but the boys back in my rural hometown aren’t interested in a Cybertruck over a Ford (this is more anecdotal evidence).
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  It feels weird not to drive a car because you don't like the CEO. Maybe that's just me though. Usually scummy CEOs lead obviously scummy companies (think Oracle), and I wouldn't want their products at all. Musk defies that: he is questionable in personality and ethics but SpaceX/Tesla are honestly great companies with good products.

sidibe 3y ago

Tesla's market cap is much larger than those two companies combined. Tesla the company would probably be better off with a serious, responsible CEO. But it will be an ugly ripping the band-aid off moment for the stock, which is valued based on Elon's rosy promises (50% annual growth, real FSD, Optimus, etc) that no one believes his successor would achieve

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Isn't the CEO of Nissan some Brazilian guy who escaped jail in Japan? Honestly, besides Tesla, Nissan is the only other company I can think of, and he is the ex-CEO, but almost as interesting (notorious?) as Musk so we actually remember who he is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn