5 ms·

> and never saw a cent from the work. It could just be that im out of touch with reality, but WHY are they agreeing to this? arent they the very problem? just

> and never saw a cent from the work. It could just be that im out of touch with reality, but WHY are they agreeing to this? arent they the very problem? just demand money for a service. Im sure all my clients would love to pay me a big fat nothing. Do you know who wouldnt love that? ME my god, say no to this shit?

Swizec 3y ago
> my god, say no to this shit? Fuck you, pay me is a wonderful talk that should be required watching for any creative looking to start a career. Doubly so if striking out on their own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U
Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
> It could just be that im out of touch with reality, but WHY are they agreeing to this? arent they the very problem? just demand money for a service. My guess is desperation. There are a lot of people that want to be artists. Some of these people find any other type of work to be unbearable. So they're either deciding to roll over and take it, since the alternative of working any other non-art-related job is too painful, or they're incorrectly thinking that if they do a good enough job on one project, they'll earn a name for themselves and get paid handsomely on the next.
- MrPatan 3y ago
  > the alternative of working any other non-art-related job is too painful "I don't feel like it" doesn't sound like desperation to me. It sounds more like entitlement.
  - CleaveIt2Beaver 3y ago
    > "I don't feel like it" doesn't sound like desperation to me. It sounds more like entitlement. What a condescending attitude towards someone trying to break into a difficult industry, who has probably been aiming for this for some time, and likely went to college for that express purpose.
    - MrPatan 3y ago
      Long-standing entitlement is still entitlement. Expensive entitlement is still entitlement.
AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Cause people want to feed their kids Not everyone has the luxury of waiting around for a nice gig to pop up after being fired or having a contract end
- bombcar 3y ago
  But working for literally nothing doesn’t feed the kids.
  - labster 3y ago
    [flagged]
rtpg 3y ago
I think there's a combo of "I like doing this work", maybe not fully grokking a residual structure, and ultimately feeling like all of the work is contractor base. It's kind of like how everyone in games was so underpaid, but since everyone was like that you just kind of accept that as the status quo (especially if you're just out of college and don't even really grok that you can't live on a ramen budget forever)
marcosdumay 3y ago
> WHY are they agreeing to this? Because they don't know that they won't actually get any money at the time they agree. The "creativity industry" scamming people is a tale as old as the industry.
- redeeman 3y ago
  In the cases where theres scamming involved, thats scamming. If the industry generally has a high scamming %, then demand upfront pay. This might result in some lost work, I have had a couple of clients I demanded upfront pay from, and I have also lost some due to it, but I will not be scammed
worik 3y ago
> but WHY are they agreeing to this? Probably did not. As someone else pointed out if your are contracted to a studio, and the studio goes out of business, you will not get paid. It does not have to be like that...
- redeeman 3y ago
  demand upfront pay. I have done that myself. I have also lost business to it, but such is life.

Swizec 3y ago

> my god, say no to this shit? Fuck you, pay me is a wonderful talk that should be required watching for any creative looking to start a career. Doubly so if striking out on their own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago

> It could just be that im out of touch with reality, but WHY are they agreeing to this? arent they the very problem? just demand money for a service. My guess is desperation. There are a lot of people that want to be artists. Some of these people find any other type of work to be unbearable. So they're either deciding to roll over and take it, since the alternative of working any other non-art-related job is too painful, or they're incorrectly thinking that if they do a good enough job on one project, they'll earn a name for themselves and get paid handsomely on the next.

MrPatan 3y ago
> the alternative of working any other non-art-related job is too painful "I don't feel like it" doesn't sound like desperation to me. It sounds more like entitlement.
- CleaveIt2Beaver 3y ago
  > "I don't feel like it" doesn't sound like desperation to me. It sounds more like entitlement. What a condescending attitude towards someone trying to break into a difficult industry, who has probably been aiming for this for some time, and likely went to college for that express purpose.
  - MrPatan 3y ago
    Long-standing entitlement is still entitlement. Expensive entitlement is still entitlement.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago

Cause people want to feed their kids Not everyone has the luxury of waiting around for a nice gig to pop up after being fired or having a contract end

bombcar 3y ago
But working for literally nothing doesn’t feed the kids.
- labster 3y ago
  [flagged]

rtpg 3y ago

I think there's a combo of "I like doing this work", maybe not fully grokking a residual structure, and ultimately feeling like all of the work is contractor base. It's kind of like how everyone in games was so underpaid, but since everyone was like that you just kind of accept that as the status quo (especially if you're just out of college and don't even really grok that you can't live on a ramen budget forever)

marcosdumay 3y ago

> WHY are they agreeing to this? Because they don't know that they won't actually get any money at the time they agree. The "creativity industry" scamming people is a tale as old as the industry.

redeeman 3y ago
In the cases where theres scamming involved, thats scamming. If the industry generally has a high scamming %, then demand upfront pay. This might result in some lost work, I have had a couple of clients I demanded upfront pay from, and I have also lost some due to it, but I will not be scammed

worik 3y ago

> but WHY are they agreeing to this? Probably did not. As someone else pointed out if your are contracted to a studio, and the studio goes out of business, you will not get paid. It does not have to be like that...

redeeman 3y ago
demand upfront pay. I have done that myself. I have also lost business to it, but such is life.