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Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

43 points by arkadiyt 3y ago

brutusborn 3y ago
Pretty simple: do nothing and spend police resources on violent crime instead.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  Yeah, but then police would actually be useful to the public, and we can't have that.
- Thorentis 3y ago
  Except that SF police also seem incapable of that. In fact, they seem incapable of doing very much at all.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  DA won’t do anything, so why would anyone risk their well being for more paperwork?
  - brutusborn 3y ago
    If I was the cops, I would start a skunk works style database of recurring offenders, arrests, judicial decisions and outcomes. Once you have a good number of smoking-gun cases of repeat violent offenders due to DA inaction, then leak it to the media. Name and shame the DA, make sure the voters / people in power know where the weak link is and give them a better alternative. Cops get apathetic because their arrests have no effect, but the paperwork can be useful to solve the fundamental problem.
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      The people that might put in unpaid extra sweat and tears to do that have been scared away from the profession due to media storms that occur on those 1 in 1000 poor interactions that are filmed on 3 hours of sleep.
      - meinmissoula 3y ago
        This seems like a concerning level of charity being given to cops who ruin people's lives. Would you accept a world in which "1 in 1000" planes crashed because the pilot was on 3 hours of sleep? There should be a media storm every time a police officer abuses someone, we should all collectively be outraged. A functioning society has to start with the front-line enforcers being responsible and trustworthy.
        mensetmanusman 3y ago
        Planes are about 1 in 10,000,000 in terms of accidents. There are about 1,000,000 police, so I guess 2 bad police events per month would be equivalent?
        brutusborn 3y ago
        He’s not being charitable to cops who abuse their power, he’s pointing out that good cops receive backlash due to the actions of bad cops. Being outraged at cases of abuse doesn’t mean you have to stop empathising with the difficult job that most cops have. Reminds me of this quote: “almost everything in the world is broken and almost no one is evil.” Don’t let your anger at evil people make you reflexively think badly of their colleagues. Focus on your love of humanity rather than your hatred of authority.
androidbishop 3y ago
I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.
- ruined 3y ago
  having a private religious experience with a mushroom doesn't deny anyone legislative representation
  - mike_d 3y ago
    Laws exist to create a civil society. You shouldn't get an exemption because you have an imaginary friend.
    - predictabl3 3y ago
      >Laws exist to create a civil society. That is... quite a comment to make in a thread about "illegal drugs" in the United States.
    - pempem 3y ago
      LOL I agree. Let's get the church to pay taxes and return public lands and then I'm happy to chat.
      - androidbishop 3y ago
        I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I actually endorse these ideas
        pempem 3y ago
        I very much endorse them as well and so, happily join you.
akomtu 3y ago
The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.
- flappyeagle 3y ago
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  - lillecarl 3y ago
    I've had this thought too, people don't die from Cannabis or Mushroom overdoses so why are they illegal? People can consume sugar freely until they die, but they can't space out on some shrooms or relax with some weed because.....?
    - Vecr 3y ago
      There's all the cynical and morality related reasons you probably already know about, but it is possible to die from any psychoactive drug, easiest by getting into a car while intoxicated and crashing it. Other ways include but are not limited to failing to correctly operate heavy machinery and falling off things. You can get diabetes from eating sugar and get similarly incapacitated, but it's not as direct. All these things can hurt and/or kill a bunch of people, so it's not just about you.
- nonrepeating 3y ago
  That seems like a less-than-useful generalization. I know plenty of people who do mushrooms and yet labor away in cubicles to pay for their houses, in which they watch television.
- gensym 3y ago
  > going to vacation on hawaii Most of the dudes I know plenty of dudes who partake in psilocybin also really like going to Hawaii. Maybe they didn't get stuff good enough to break that particular thought-circuit? What do you think?
ashconnor 3y ago
Take a cue from Toronto and do nothing*. > A spokesperson for Toronto police, meanwhile, has told CityNews that illegal dispensaries are investigated when reports are made. The service’s drug enforcement at this time, however, is “largely focused on the trafficking of illegal drugs that are resulting in overdose deaths.” It cites the need to concentrate on the supply of fentanyl in the midst of an opioid crisis. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/07/18/toronto-mushroom-dispensaries-remain-open-despite-being-illegal/amp/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/07/18/toronto-mushroom-disp...
mike_d 3y ago
"We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas" seems to be the response to any sort of problem in San Francisco. There are plenty of federal and state resources that can come in and handle the problem, they just have to make a phone call. (I don't care to debate the value of mushrooms, at this point it is illegal and I am commenting on the broader ineptitude of SF city government)
prepend 3y ago
This is what the city will care about? I think magic mushrooms is way lower in the “should have an idea what to do” below shoplifting and poop.
happytiger 3y ago
In the past hackers generally sought subvert the dominant paradigm and play with uncomfortable boundaries as a result (or just to do it). You may not like how they do it, or why they do it, but you have to acknowledge and appreciate the spirit of the exercise.

43 points by arkadiyt 3y ago

brutusborn 3y ago

Pretty simple: do nothing and spend police resources on violent crime instead.

yellowapple 3y ago
Yeah, but then police would actually be useful to the public, and we can't have that.
Thorentis 3y ago
Except that SF police also seem incapable of that. In fact, they seem incapable of doing very much at all.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
DA won’t do anything, so why would anyone risk their well being for more paperwork?
- brutusborn 3y ago
  If I was the cops, I would start a skunk works style database of recurring offenders, arrests, judicial decisions and outcomes. Once you have a good number of smoking-gun cases of repeat violent offenders due to DA inaction, then leak it to the media. Name and shame the DA, make sure the voters / people in power know where the weak link is and give them a better alternative. Cops get apathetic because their arrests have no effect, but the paperwork can be useful to solve the fundamental problem.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    The people that might put in unpaid extra sweat and tears to do that have been scared away from the profession due to media storms that occur on those 1 in 1000 poor interactions that are filmed on 3 hours of sleep.
    - meinmissoula 3y ago
      This seems like a concerning level of charity being given to cops who ruin people's lives. Would you accept a world in which "1 in 1000" planes crashed because the pilot was on 3 hours of sleep? There should be a media storm every time a police officer abuses someone, we should all collectively be outraged. A functioning society has to start with the front-line enforcers being responsible and trustworthy.
      - mensetmanusman 3y ago
        Planes are about 1 in 10,000,000 in terms of accidents. There are about 1,000,000 police, so I guess 2 bad police events per month would be equivalent?
      - brutusborn 3y ago
        He’s not being charitable to cops who abuse their power, he’s pointing out that good cops receive backlash due to the actions of bad cops. Being outraged at cases of abuse doesn’t mean you have to stop empathising with the difficult job that most cops have. Reminds me of this quote: “almost everything in the world is broken and almost no one is evil.” Don’t let your anger at evil people make you reflexively think badly of their colleagues. Focus on your love of humanity rather than your hatred of authority.

androidbishop 3y ago

I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.

ruined 3y ago
having a private religious experience with a mushroom doesn't deny anyone legislative representation
- mike_d 3y ago
  Laws exist to create a civil society. You shouldn't get an exemption because you have an imaginary friend.
  - predictabl3 3y ago
    >Laws exist to create a civil society. That is... quite a comment to make in a thread about "illegal drugs" in the United States.
  - pempem 3y ago
    LOL I agree. Let's get the church to pay taxes and return public lands and then I'm happy to chat.
    - androidbishop 3y ago
      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I actually endorse these ideas
      - pempem 3y ago
        I very much endorse them as well and so, happily join you.

akomtu 3y ago

The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.

flappyeagle 3y ago
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- lillecarl 3y ago
  I've had this thought too, people don't die from Cannabis or Mushroom overdoses so why are they illegal? People can consume sugar freely until they die, but they can't space out on some shrooms or relax with some weed because.....?
  - Vecr 3y ago
    There's all the cynical and morality related reasons you probably already know about, but it is possible to die from any psychoactive drug, easiest by getting into a car while intoxicated and crashing it. Other ways include but are not limited to failing to correctly operate heavy machinery and falling off things. You can get diabetes from eating sugar and get similarly incapacitated, but it's not as direct. All these things can hurt and/or kill a bunch of people, so it's not just about you.
nonrepeating 3y ago
That seems like a less-than-useful generalization. I know plenty of people who do mushrooms and yet labor away in cubicles to pay for their houses, in which they watch television.
gensym 3y ago
> going to vacation on hawaii Most of the dudes I know plenty of dudes who partake in psilocybin also really like going to Hawaii. Maybe they didn't get stuff good enough to break that particular thought-circuit? What do you think?

ashconnor 3y ago

Take a cue from Toronto and do nothing*. > A spokesperson for Toronto police, meanwhile, has told CityNews that illegal dispensaries are investigated when reports are made. The service’s drug enforcement at this time, however, is “largely focused on the trafficking of illegal drugs that are resulting in overdose deaths.” It cites the need to concentrate on the supply of fentanyl in the midst of an opioid crisis. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/07/18/toronto-mushroom-dispensaries-remain-open-despite-being-illegal/amp/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/07/18/toronto-mushroom-disp...

mike_d 3y ago

"We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas" seems to be the response to any sort of problem in San Francisco. There are plenty of federal and state resources that can come in and handle the problem, they just have to make a phone call. (I don't care to debate the value of mushrooms, at this point it is illegal and I am commenting on the broader ineptitude of SF city government)

prepend 3y ago

This is what the city will care about? I think magic mushrooms is way lower in the “should have an idea what to do” below shoplifting and poop.

happytiger 3y ago

In the past hackers generally sought subvert the dominant paradigm and play with uncomfortable boundaries as a result (or just to do it). You may not like how they do it, or why they do it, but you have to acknowledge and appreciate the spirit of the exercise.