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> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that typ
by mdekkers 3y ago
> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion.
I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear.
It’s entirely against everything I was told to believe we stood for, and I find it deeply offensive ans disturbing.
- sgift 3y agoDo you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.
- orangepurple 3y agoBanned in NL it gives an HTHS error NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID the certificate common name in the attack is advice.upc.biz
- vlabakje90 3y agoIt's not banned in NL, I can access it just fine.
- orangepurple 3y agoIt is banned by Ziggo in the Netherlands. When I open it incognito I am redirected to a Ziggo.nl page saying: Deze website is geblokkeerd Europese sancties De Raad van Europa heeft besloten dat de websites van RT (voorheen Russia Today) en Sputnik News niet meer mogen worden doorgegeven. De website die je probeert te bezoeken, valt onder deze Europese sanctie. Vodafone Ziggo is verplicht de sanctie uit te voeren en heeft de website geblokkeerd.
- vlabakje90 3y agoI'm connected through Ziggo so this surprises me. It's working for me without any problems.
- orangepurple 3y agoIt might be DNS poisoning? My DNS resolvers are: 2001:730:3e42:1000::53 2001:b88:1002::10 2001:b88:1202::10 84.116.46.23 84.116.46.22
- JackGreyhat 3y agoI just checked and cannot reach RT from Germany, using the ISP provided DNS server. I think that is key.
- greensh 3y agoI tried using german isp dns, rt.com is blocked. That's shocking.
- mdekkers 3y agohttps://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/eu-rt-ban-extends-online/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/eu-rt-ban-extends-online/
- philippejara 3y agogiven that rumble was ordered to remove what I can only assume is rt and decided to just stop serving the country instead, It's certainly banned at the very least in France itself. https://archive.is/Ryv67 https://archive.is/Ryv67
- somethingreen 3y agoI used to be a free speech absolutist, but now I believe phylosophical principles exist in service of humanity, not the other way around. If you consider that the goal of russian propaganda is to help Russia succeed in genocide of a 40 million nation, I think it should be fairly easy to handle some censorship, at least until genocide is stopped.
- Brian_K_White 3y agoWhat philosophical principle justifies censorship, which is just propaganda through ommision? How can someone decide for themselves that they agree something is bad, if they aren't allowed to see it, or even know it exists? I don't think there is any philosophical principle that resloves to "and therefor we should commit ignorance"
- camgunz 3y agoI think the typical rejoinder here is Germany's denazification. There's a difference between preemptively censoring things and deciding some things are just wrong and not worth debating for the umpteenth time. FWIW we preemptively censor things all the time. Information is classified, we don't let you post plans to build nuclear or biological weapons, etc. And to broaden a little, we also have lots of speech restrictions and compulsions. Fraud is against the law and that's largely speech. Inciting imminent lawless action isn't allowed. We require nutrition facts on products, we require doctors to say things before performing abortions, we compel testimony, etc. I personally wouldn't like it if you posted my address and when I'm likely to be away. Speech is complicated, it's powerful, fundamental, and there are a lot of competing interests and principles.
- Brian_K_White 3y agoWhat does wrongness have to do with anything? No one in Germany studies the history of Nazis and how they came to be?
- camgunz 3y ago
- erfgh 3y agoRussia Today as a television network is banned because you need a license to broadcast and that license can be revoked when it is found that the network broadcasts only propaganda that has nothing to do with reality. On the other hand, the website of Russia Today is not blocked though it does have some intermittent ddos problems.
- iraqmtpizza 3y agoyou need a loicense to be on rumble lololol
- thejazzman 3y agoPlease correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?
- matrix_overload 3y agoThe idea is that people should have the skill of critically assessing the information they see, not trusting it by default, and knowing how to verify it. Like, check for conflicts of interest, historical precedents, correlate independent sources, etc. This skill only develops if people have to deal with lies on a daily basis. If we delegate the function of telling what's a truth and what's a lie to a 3rd party, it quickly starts abusing it for its own gain and the quality of life starts sliding downhill.
- inetknght 3y ago> people should have the skill of critically assessing the information they see, not trusting it by default, and knowing how to verify it Unfortunately, in America and I imagine abroad, those skills have been actively eroded so as to favor of consumerism. Moreover, the tools to pull one over on your fellow man have gotten more and more sophisticated such that you cannot trust recorded voices to be real, you cannot trust recorded video of people talking, and likely soon won't be able to trust recorded video at all. There's a serious problem with that in its own. But it's compounded when people don't satisfy the very requirements you want of them.
- thejazzman 3y agoNot to mention health conditions that prohibit people from sharing the mental capacity of people on here. Or let's get specific. My 96yo great aunt with Alzheimer's who has been repeatedly preyed upon. I'm kind of shocked and disappointed to see these attitudes amongst my colleagues. I thought we cared about each other.
- Ms-J 3y agoSadly the power hungry governments and corporations are getting worse, attempting to dictate what is approved speech. Sometimes they even label things not a lie, but "misinformation" because it's not what they would like you to know. I too find it deeply disturbing.