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Why can't we just start putting the CEOs of robocall companies that break the law in jail?

by shkkmo 3y ago

Supermancho 3y ago
If you take the stance that these calls are impacting the US infrastructure and falls under the Homeland Security umbrella, these robocall farms would be stopped with appropriate resources. Right now, violating DNC (the various lists) is not a criminal violation.
- shiftpgdn 3y ago
  I get something to the order of 60-100 spam calls a day regarding medicare benefits (my number has somehow been associated with a retiree who shares my name). I fully support drone strikes on overseas call centers.
  - shkkmo 3y ago
    Drone strikes on call centers would punish the poor employees with little to no power for the unethical choices of their bosses. You should be ashamed of this kind of call for violence, even if you intended it as a joke.
    - rolph 3y ago
      no violence needed: We made a Drone to Toilet Paper houses! https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=QMb1FH_YEME https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=QMb1FH_YEME
    - shiftpgdn 3y ago
      The people working in these call centers know what they're doing by defrauding the most vulnerable members of our society and should be considered enemy combatants if their host government is unwilling to act on their crimes.
      - lupire 3y ago
        The people working those call centers are more vulnerable than rich Americans.
    - lightbendover 3y ago
      We need to stop letting accessories off the hook like they don't know exactly what game they're playing. They're just as culpable.
      - lupire 3y ago
        You pay taxes to the US government. You are an accessory. Should victims of USA aggression blow up the building where you work?
hanniabu 3y ago
The US views company owners as royalty
Libcat99 3y ago
Please remove the "robocall" from your suggestion, and then it sounds perfect to me.
Zetice 3y ago
Because nobody passed a law that says the government can do that, and if the government did it anyway it'd be tyrannical as hell?
- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  I hardly think it's tyrannical to jail someone who made literally billions of attempts to defraud people.
- shkkmo 3y ago
  Then why don't we pass that law?
  - Zetice 3y ago
    Go for it. I'd vote for such a law (or more accurately, consider voting for a representative who supported such a law), depending on the specifics.
- LordDragonfang 3y ago
  It's tyrannical to put people who knowingly break the law in jail? Break the law to get $100, it's a crime, break the law to get a million, it's a write-off.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    You take it as a given that what they did broke the law just because the government claims it was illegal. However, that is not what the settlement proposal actually says. There was no trial, there was no conviction, and the telemarketers admit to no wrongdoing. They also agree to pay the full $13m if they fail to comply with a whole host of reporting and reform, including stopping their part of the calls.
    - LordDragonfang 3y ago
      Okay, first off, this is the comment you replied to: >Why can't we just start putting the CEOs of robocall companies that break the law in jail? I take it as a given because it was given in the premise. Anyway, I read the settlement proposal. There was no trial because the company waived their right to it. Because they know they're getting a slap on the wrist compared to the potential fines they could face. They're getting told they got away with all the illegal acts they previously committed (and yes, some of those things are definitely illegal), as long as they stop it now. Imagine if someone steals hundreds of TVs, gpus, and laptops, then when they finally get caught, the courts say "Naughty naughty. We're fining you 100 dollars, but you can keep everything you stole. Now don't do it again or we'll actually punish you". It's absurd.
tristor 3y ago
Mostly because almost all of this originates from India and the Phillipines, not from within the US. The scammers are almost never associated to any US entity. The spam telemarketers that work for US companies that are beneficiaries are kind of a different sort of deal, although should also be penalized.
- lupire 3y ago
  Why can't the military send drones with missiles after foreign enemies attacking our residents in our territory? (Answer: the military doesn't serve the public.)
  - tristor 3y ago
    Or maybe because it would be an act of war and a war crime to drone-strike civilians in a foreign country because of them committing a criminal act? We generally arrest criminals and put them on trial, we don't summarily execute them by raining fire from above. I hate robo-callers and scammers as much as anyone, but I don't think drone-striking them is the proper response.

Why can't we just start putting the CEOs of robocall companies that break the law in jail?

by shkkmo 3y ago

Why can't we just start putting the CEOs of robocall companies that break the law in jail?

If you take the stance that these calls are impacting the US infrastructure and falls under the Homeland Security umbrella, these robocall farms would be stopped with appropriate resources. Right now, violating DNC (the various lists) is not a criminal violation.

shiftpgdn 3y ago
I get something to the order of 60-100 spam calls a day regarding medicare benefits (my number has somehow been associated with a retiree who shares my name). I fully support drone strikes on overseas call centers.
- shkkmo 3y ago
  Drone strikes on call centers would punish the poor employees with little to no power for the unethical choices of their bosses. You should be ashamed of this kind of call for violence, even if you intended it as a joke.
  - rolph 3y ago
    no violence needed: We made a Drone to Toilet Paper houses! https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=QMb1FH_YEME https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=QMb1FH_YEME
  - shiftpgdn 3y ago
    The people working in these call centers know what they're doing by defrauding the most vulnerable members of our society and should be considered enemy combatants if their host government is unwilling to act on their crimes.
    - lupire 3y ago
      The people working those call centers are more vulnerable than rich Americans.
  - lightbendover 3y ago
    We need to stop letting accessories off the hook like they don't know exactly what game they're playing. They're just as culpable.
    - lupire 3y ago
      You pay taxes to the US government. You are an accessory. Should victims of USA aggression blow up the building where you work?

hanniabu 3y ago

The US views company owners as royalty

Libcat99 3y ago

Please remove the "robocall" from your suggestion, and then it sounds perfect to me.

Zetice 3y ago

Because nobody passed a law that says the government can do that, and if the government did it anyway it'd be tyrannical as hell?

TheCoelacanth 3y ago
I hardly think it's tyrannical to jail someone who made literally billions of attempts to defraud people.
shkkmo 3y ago
Then why don't we pass that law?
- Zetice 3y ago
  Go for it. I'd vote for such a law (or more accurately, consider voting for a representative who supported such a law), depending on the specifics.
LordDragonfang 3y ago
It's tyrannical to put people who knowingly break the law in jail? Break the law to get $100, it's a crime, break the law to get a million, it's a write-off.
- Zetice 3y ago
  You take it as a given that what they did broke the law just because the government claims it was illegal. However, that is not what the settlement proposal actually says. There was no trial, there was no conviction, and the telemarketers admit to no wrongdoing. They also agree to pay the full $13m if they fail to comply with a whole host of reporting and reform, including stopping their part of the calls.
  - LordDragonfang 3y ago
    Okay, first off, this is the comment you replied to: >Why can't we just start putting the CEOs of robocall companies that break the law in jail? I take it as a given because it was given in the premise. Anyway, I read the settlement proposal. There was no trial because the company waived their right to it. Because they know they're getting a slap on the wrist compared to the potential fines they could face. They're getting told they got away with all the illegal acts they previously committed (and yes, some of those things are definitely illegal), as long as they stop it now. Imagine if someone steals hundreds of TVs, gpus, and laptops, then when they finally get caught, the courts say "Naughty naughty. We're fining you 100 dollars, but you can keep everything you stole. Now don't do it again or we'll actually punish you". It's absurd.

tristor 3y ago

Mostly because almost all of this originates from India and the Phillipines, not from within the US. The scammers are almost never associated to any US entity. The spam telemarketers that work for US companies that are beneficiaries are kind of a different sort of deal, although should also be penalized.

lupire 3y ago
Why can't the military send drones with missiles after foreign enemies attacking our residents in our territory? (Answer: the military doesn't serve the public.)
- tristor 3y ago
  Or maybe because it would be an act of war and a war crime to drone-strike civilians in a foreign country because of them committing a criminal act? We generally arrest criminals and put them on trial, we don't summarily execute them by raining fire from above. I hate robo-callers and scammers as much as anyone, but I don't think drone-striking them is the proper response.