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The subway and bus remain $2.75.

762236 3y ago
That caused Daniel Penny a lot of trouble. If the police won't keep the peace, and since we're not allowed to protect ourselves, then the next solution is paying for gated communities, private schools, Costcos, and private carriage.
- stavros 3y ago
  I didn't know who Daniel Penny is, and, after looking him up, are you for fucking real? The subway caused him a lot of trouble because he murdered a homeless guy? Yes, that's quite the inconvenience, I avoid the subway nowadays because all these life sentences add up. What am I going to do, not murder homeless people?
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    It got political fast, and I believe there was some disagreement about whether or not it counts as murder when done to the homeless. It seems the compromise was to call it manslaughter.
    - stavros 3y ago
      :(
  - 762236 3y ago
    That's a real intellectually honest representation of the situation. Why did Daniel Penny have to defend himself and the other passengers from the violent, crazy dude? Why would I put myself in the same situation, exposing myself to the violent crazy people? I'll take Uber. Or move to Europe.
    - BizarroLand 3y ago
      Your idea of a violent and crazy person is someone who shouts at people that they are hungry and don't care if they die? "Penny held Neely, in a chokehold on the subway train May 1 after Neely began shouting at passengers that he was hungry and thirsty and didn’t care whether he died. Penny forced 30-year-old Neely to the train floor and restrained him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing. A medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide." Also, even if you do have to put a person in a chokehold, remember this from the same page: “Bottom line – at some point Mr. Penny should have let go before Jordan died,” the statement read. “There is no excuse for choking anyone for that long. Any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them." https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jordan-neely-chokehold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jord... Also to note, Daniel Penny is not some random nobody like you are. He's a former marine, and should have known better because of his military training.
      - jrockway 3y ago
        I've seen some sketchy people on the Subway before. I just moved to the next car. Look ma, no murder charges!
      - 762236 3y ago
        When I read about this, on real news sites, I remember hearing a vastly different story.
        BizarroLand 3y ago
        A: CNN is a real news site, you dingus. B: Share your sources or shut up.
        xethos 3y ago
        > on real news sites In all curiosity: do you recall which ones? Not American, but I associate CNN with left-slanted, though generally factual, coverage.
        762236 3y ago
    - stavros 3y ago
      It's interesting that you mention Europe. Yes, these incidents happen here much more rarely, because we as a society take better care of mentally ill people, but that includes not randomly killing them when they're being mentally ill.
tedivm 3y ago
Not in the bay area.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  > Not in the bay area. The article is about a $52 fare for a 3-mile ride in NYC...
  - BizarroLand 3y ago
    I would walk in the thundering rain or snow before I would pay $52 to travel 3 miles. At my normal sedate walking speed that is $52 an hour to take in some scenery.
    - goalonetwo 3y ago
      yeah, that's what I'm doing now as well. A couple days ago from one part of SF to another: - Uber: 2 Miles, 25$, 16 minutes (doesn't include the subtle lying on waiting time). - Walking: 2 Miles, 0$, 30 minutes, healthier.
    - jrockway 3y ago
      I did this once. I landed in Newark at 12am on a rainy night. Ubers were about $300 to Brooklyn with a 60 minute wait, and my phone was about dead. So, I took the AirTrain. The AirTrain doesn't go to the terminal I arrived at, so I walked through an empty parking garage, then outside in the rain for a while, then finally to the AirTrain station with all the lights off. Trains were running though! In sections. At each station between this one and the commuter rail station, you had to switch trains. Eventually I arrived at the EWR NJT station, and the machine wouldn't take my credit card. I tried another one and it worked. Eventually I got on a train to Penn Station that ... just stopped for 20 minutes for no reason. Penn Station was closing down when I arrived, and myself and another passenger got "locked in" to the gated-off corridor between NJT and the 7th Ave line. The gates weren't locked, though, so we opened them and pressed on to find the subway. The 2/3 of course runs local at this hour and at 30 minute frequencies. I definitely waited all 30 minutes, and then enjoyed the speedy trip downtown stopping at 27th St, 23rd St, 18th St, 14th St, Christopher St, Houston St, Canal St, Franklin St, Chambers St, Fulton St, Wall St, Clark St, and finally getting off at 2:30AM into the pouring rain at Boro Hall. It was well worth saving the $290. (I normally fly into JFK and take the LIRR to Brooklyn. I didn't do that this time because my employer insisted that I fly into SJC instead of SFO to save on taxi fare. AA would only sell EWR-DFW-SJC and not JFK-DFW-SJC. Never again. When I worked for Google I flew business class from JFK-SFO with a fully-flat bed! Then took Caltain down to Mountain View.)
hnarayanan 3y ago
This is the way

That caused Daniel Penny a lot of trouble. If the police won't keep the peace, and since we're not allowed to protect ourselves, then the next solution is paying for gated communities, private schools, Costcos, and private carriage.

stavros 3y ago
I didn't know who Daniel Penny is, and, after looking him up, are you for fucking real? The subway caused him a lot of trouble because he murdered a homeless guy? Yes, that's quite the inconvenience, I avoid the subway nowadays because all these life sentences add up. What am I going to do, not murder homeless people?
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  It got political fast, and I believe there was some disagreement about whether or not it counts as murder when done to the homeless. It seems the compromise was to call it manslaughter.
  - stavros 3y ago
    :(
- 762236 3y ago
  That's a real intellectually honest representation of the situation. Why did Daniel Penny have to defend himself and the other passengers from the violent, crazy dude? Why would I put myself in the same situation, exposing myself to the violent crazy people? I'll take Uber. Or move to Europe.
  - BizarroLand 3y ago
    Your idea of a violent and crazy person is someone who shouts at people that they are hungry and don't care if they die? "Penny held Neely, in a chokehold on the subway train May 1 after Neely began shouting at passengers that he was hungry and thirsty and didn’t care whether he died. Penny forced 30-year-old Neely to the train floor and restrained him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing. A medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide." Also, even if you do have to put a person in a chokehold, remember this from the same page: “Bottom line – at some point Mr. Penny should have let go before Jordan died,” the statement read. “There is no excuse for choking anyone for that long. Any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them." https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jordan-neely-chokehold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jord... Also to note, Daniel Penny is not some random nobody like you are. He's a former marine, and should have known better because of his military training.
    - jrockway 3y ago
      I've seen some sketchy people on the Subway before. I just moved to the next car. Look ma, no murder charges!
    - 762236 3y ago
      When I read about this, on real news sites, I remember hearing a vastly different story.
      - BizarroLand 3y ago
        A: CNN is a real news site, you dingus. B: Share your sources or shut up.
      - xethos 3y ago
        > on real news sites In all curiosity: do you recall which ones? Not American, but I associate CNN with left-slanted, though generally factual, coverage.
        762236 3y ago
  - stavros 3y ago
    It's interesting that you mention Europe. Yes, these incidents happen here much more rarely, because we as a society take better care of mentally ill people, but that includes not randomly killing them when they're being mentally ill.

tedivm 3y ago

Not in the bay area.

CogitoCogito 3y ago
> Not in the bay area. The article is about a $52 fare for a 3-mile ride in NYC...
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  I would walk in the thundering rain or snow before I would pay $52 to travel 3 miles. At my normal sedate walking speed that is $52 an hour to take in some scenery.
  - goalonetwo 3y ago
    yeah, that's what I'm doing now as well. A couple days ago from one part of SF to another: - Uber: 2 Miles, 25$, 16 minutes (doesn't include the subtle lying on waiting time). - Walking: 2 Miles, 0$, 30 minutes, healthier.
  - jrockway 3y ago
    I did this once. I landed in Newark at 12am on a rainy night. Ubers were about $300 to Brooklyn with a 60 minute wait, and my phone was about dead. So, I took the AirTrain. The AirTrain doesn't go to the terminal I arrived at, so I walked through an empty parking garage, then outside in the rain for a while, then finally to the AirTrain station with all the lights off. Trains were running though! In sections. At each station between this one and the commuter rail station, you had to switch trains. Eventually I arrived at the EWR NJT station, and the machine wouldn't take my credit card. I tried another one and it worked. Eventually I got on a train to Penn Station that ... just stopped for 20 minutes for no reason. Penn Station was closing down when I arrived, and myself and another passenger got "locked in" to the gated-off corridor between NJT and the 7th Ave line. The gates weren't locked, though, so we opened them and pressed on to find the subway. The 2/3 of course runs local at this hour and at 30 minute frequencies. I definitely waited all 30 minutes, and then enjoyed the speedy trip downtown stopping at 27th St, 23rd St, 18th St, 14th St, Christopher St, Houston St, Canal St, Franklin St, Chambers St, Fulton St, Wall St, Clark St, and finally getting off at 2:30AM into the pouring rain at Boro Hall. It was well worth saving the $290. (I normally fly into JFK and take the LIRR to Brooklyn. I didn't do that this time because my employer insisted that I fly into SJC instead of SFO to save on taxi fare. AA would only sell EWR-DFW-SJC and not JFK-DFW-SJC. Never again. When I worked for Google I flew business class from JFK-SFO with a fully-flat bed! Then took Caltain down to Mountain View.)

hnarayanan 3y ago

This is the way