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We created an autonomous system of entities running on meat CPUs with a singular non human aligned goal of profit maximization at all costs and the system has e

by gmerc 3y ago

We created an autonomous system of entities running on meat CPUs with a singular non human aligned goal of profit maximization at all costs and the system has exceeded the capability of human governance which is stalled at a country / block level. It by now controls almost every single human’s everyday schedule - the entire race has been put in service of it and it extracts all resources and externalizes all the costs and by now benefits a tiny fraction of the planet primarily - but even that fraction appears to be powerless to stop it (Lol Big tech billionaires tearingly having to take responsibility and make hard cuts at times of record profits. It’s the system, even the majority Shareholder Zuck cannot escape it. ) Despite clear evidence that its continued trajectory amounts to suicide for the human race, we appear unable to stop it. And we have illusions about aligned AI. Lol.

adamwong246 3y ago
Everyone always wonders when the Ultron scenario will come to pass but I maintain that _the AI has already taken over_. This AI doesn't run on a computer- it runs on a machine made of laws, business interactions and human brains. This AI does not have personality, and it isn't that smart, but this algorithm is very much in charge over every human being on earth, every minute of our lives from birth to death. It seems to have no higher aspirations than grinding the bounty of our Planet into bitcoin. We made this machine that turns everything into capital and it won't stop until... what exactly? When some captain of industry has _finally_ achieved their goal of _owning it all_? Because if you follow the trend, that is where the line is headed- A ever-shrinking class of Skeksis ruling over a ruined planet, with just as many slaves, or as few, as they want.
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- bentcorner 3y ago
  I've thought the same thing. Our society is a superorganism with growth and consumption as its only goal. "No raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood."
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- ChatGTP 3y ago
  It's time we all had discussions about evolving past this phase. I think it can be done. I don't love everything Noval Harrari has to say, but I love his idea that money is a story we believe in, if we didn't, it would have no value, and it's a story we need rewrite if we want to survive. Greed is not good, being a billionaire is unwise. Money is the root of much evil..or something like this.
  - LesZedCB 3y ago
    i prefer whuffie
  - mistermann 3y ago
    I too think it can be done, but good luck finding a platform that allows uncensored discussion of the full spectrum of the situation and countermeasures.
    - selestify 3y ago
      Surely, with decentralization and the dark web, such a platform can be created. But would there be enough people who join?
      - mistermann 3y ago
        First question that comes to my mind: how many (exceptional) people are needed to accomplish the goal?
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    This is it. If we just all gather around some pet HN public intellectual, chant something about a real thing in fact just being a narrative, then that real thing will disperse as the mind-goblins that were giving it life let go.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Wasn’t what I had in mind. What do you have in mind ?
bamboozled 3y ago
What is amusing and sad to me is that we have now created so many insanely big problems through greed, and unbridled technological progress in the name of profits that we actually now need AI (which will for sure have introduce it's own problems) to get us out of the shit situation we've created. I hear this parroted all the time, "AI will save the world", well maybe, but what about thinking about what has fucked this world and tackling that instead? I know AI progress is being made but I really think it's also a fantasy to think a talking computer is going to come to our rescue. I 100% agree with you and have recently come to the conclusion that we already are the paperclip maximizers. We have turned the entire fucking ecosystem into money.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  If "AI saves the world", we should consider handing over the keys. We've been weighed, measured, and found wanting. Let someone competent drive for a bit.
  - foobiekr 3y ago
    Nothing built primarily from human-generated internet content is going to be competent in the way you mean.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      It's fair to, in some combination, underestimate the learning curve of AI and overestimate the competency of humans. Lots of systems in place today that behaviorally nudge humans through economic and other signal, for example. And they are just dumb lines of code. How smart is a traffic light? Exciting times ahead to understand what the concept of reasoning is. https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol... https://149909199.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Intelligence2-1024x836.png https://149909199.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/201...
- ethbr0 3y ago
  Don't fully disagree, but feel a counterpoint needs to be said. > created so many insanely big problems through greed, and unbridled technological progress in the name of profits Capitalism is an allocation algorithm that scales. We haven't just created insanely big problems, we've delivered insane boosts to productivity. Capitalism's outputs in that name of progress (the things that greed and unbridled technological progress have enabled) are now necessary to deliver the current living standard we have for the number of people we're supporting on this planet. - Fertilizer-boosted and genetically-modified factory agriculture - Mass manufacturing with global supply chains - Global energy markets with worldwide distribution - International capital flows If we're talking about toppling the current system, then we have to admit that means losing its positives as well as its negatives. Reengineering isn't complete when only looking at the negatives we'd avoid and the positives we'd gain. It needs to also include the positives we'd lose and the negatives we'd incur by shifting to an alternate system. The alternatives to capitalism aren't just 'avoiding capitalism's problems' -- they've historically also been 'rampant inefficiency to the extent that it decreases standard of living.' One reason I'm bullish on carbon taxes et. al. Adjust the incentives, and then let the best allocation model we've found run to optimization under the altered constraints.

by gmerc 3y ago

adamwong246 3y ago

Everyone always wonders when the Ultron scenario will come to pass but I maintain that _the AI has already taken over_. This AI doesn't run on a computer- it runs on a machine made of laws, business interactions and human brains. This AI does not have personality, and it isn't that smart, but this algorithm is very much in charge over every human being on earth, every minute of our lives from birth to death. It seems to have no higher aspirations than grinding the bounty of our Planet into bitcoin. We made this machine that turns everything into capital and it won't stop until... what exactly? When some captain of industry has _finally_ achieved their goal of _owning it all_? Because if you follow the trend, that is where the line is headed- A ever-shrinking class of Skeksis ruling over a ruined planet, with just as many slaves, or as few, as they want.

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bentcorner 3y ago
I've thought the same thing. Our society is a superorganism with growth and consumption as its only goal. "No raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood."
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
ChatGTP 3y ago
It's time we all had discussions about evolving past this phase. I think it can be done. I don't love everything Noval Harrari has to say, but I love his idea that money is a story we believe in, if we didn't, it would have no value, and it's a story we need rewrite if we want to survive. Greed is not good, being a billionaire is unwise. Money is the root of much evil..or something like this.
- LesZedCB 3y ago
  i prefer whuffie
- mistermann 3y ago
  I too think it can be done, but good luck finding a platform that allows uncensored discussion of the full spectrum of the situation and countermeasures.
  - selestify 3y ago
    Surely, with decentralization and the dark web, such a platform can be created. But would there be enough people who join?
    - mistermann 3y ago
      First question that comes to my mind: how many (exceptional) people are needed to accomplish the goal?
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  This is it. If we just all gather around some pet HN public intellectual, chant something about a real thing in fact just being a narrative, then that real thing will disperse as the mind-goblins that were giving it life let go.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Wasn’t what I had in mind. What do you have in mind ?

bamboozled 3y ago

What is amusing and sad to me is that we have now created so many insanely big problems through greed, and unbridled technological progress in the name of profits that we actually now need AI (which will for sure have introduce it's own problems) to get us out of the shit situation we've created. I hear this parroted all the time, "AI will save the world", well maybe, but what about thinking about what has fucked this world and tackling that instead? I know AI progress is being made but I really think it's also a fantasy to think a talking computer is going to come to our rescue. I 100% agree with you and have recently come to the conclusion that we already are the paperclip maximizers. We have turned the entire fucking ecosystem into money.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
If "AI saves the world", we should consider handing over the keys. We've been weighed, measured, and found wanting. Let someone competent drive for a bit.
- foobiekr 3y ago
  Nothing built primarily from human-generated internet content is going to be competent in the way you mean.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    It's fair to, in some combination, underestimate the learning curve of AI and overestimate the competency of humans. Lots of systems in place today that behaviorally nudge humans through economic and other signal, for example. And they are just dumb lines of code. How smart is a traffic light? Exciting times ahead to understand what the concept of reasoning is. https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol... https://149909199.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Intelligence2-1024x836.png https://149909199.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/201...
ethbr0 3y ago
Don't fully disagree, but feel a counterpoint needs to be said. > created so many insanely big problems through greed, and unbridled technological progress in the name of profits Capitalism is an allocation algorithm that scales. We haven't just created insanely big problems, we've delivered insane boosts to productivity. Capitalism's outputs in that name of progress (the things that greed and unbridled technological progress have enabled) are now necessary to deliver the current living standard we have for the number of people we're supporting on this planet. - Fertilizer-boosted and genetically-modified factory agriculture - Mass manufacturing with global supply chains - Global energy markets with worldwide distribution - International capital flows If we're talking about toppling the current system, then we have to admit that means losing its positives as well as its negatives. Reengineering isn't complete when only looking at the negatives we'd avoid and the positives we'd gain. It needs to also include the positives we'd lose and the negatives we'd incur by shifting to an alternate system. The alternatives to capitalism aren't just 'avoiding capitalism's problems' -- they've historically also been 'rampant inefficiency to the extent that it decreases standard of living.' One reason I'm bullish on carbon taxes et. al. Adjust the incentives, and then let the best allocation model we've found run to optimization under the altered constraints.