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I think there's a point to be made when one OS can actually run programs meant for another. I think this makes it even more valuable, not less.

by dizhn 3y ago

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>I think this makes it even more valuable, not less. put it this way: I have the expenses and know how to simply have 2 native platforms if I need it. If I need to emulate something but don't feel like spinning a second boot, it's usually for a few niche programs I need very occasionally. Otherwise, I can just get that OS ready. That's how I see the Steam Deck. I simply have a portable windows machine that has Steam on it, so I don't see the incremental value of having these games run through Proton while having a linux machine. Because I have "running windows games" covered. If it was running Linux games natively, I may in fact buy it simply to help say to developers that I want more native games on Linux. But if devs just keep focusing on Windows, I have that set already. And To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the form factor nor screen to begin with, so it'd be a bigger compromise choosing to play on a Steam Deck than if I could choose other machines.
- dizhn 3y ago
  > But if devs just keep focusing on Windows, I have that set already. It is what it is. I would say they will never focus on Linux but it's not so clear anymore. A lot of things are changing fast. > And To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the form factor nor screen to begin with, so it'd be a bigger compromise choosing to play on a Steam Deck than if I could choose other machines. Luckily even better handhelds seem to be coming out. Asus ROG Ally (windows) is worth a look, as is Ayn Odin 2 (android..Now we have this too as a potential gaming platform to consider. Maybe not today, but who knows.). I recommend ETA PRIME's youtube channel to keep an eye on these things. https://www.youtube.com/@ETAPRIME https://www.youtube.com/@ETAPRIME
piaste 3y ago
There was an article posted on HN a few weeks ago, about Excel's rise over Lotus 1-2-3. Excel was acknowledged as a better software pretty early on, and could always import Lotus spreadsheets, but it really started gaining adoption once it was able to export to Lotus files. Counter-intuitively, the ability to stay within the Lotus ecosystem (and switch back at any time) is what enabled a lot of people on the fence to try Excel out. Only once Excel became dominant did people actually switch to XLS files.
- pasc1878 3y ago
  Surely a main reason Excel gained market share was that it was graphical i.e. on Windows. Probably gained when OS/2 and Windows 3 came out giving a decent graphical environment. I used Excel on Windows 2 from its release but I would be an outlier.

I think there's a point to be made when one OS can actually run programs meant for another. I think this makes it even more valuable, not less.

by dizhn 3y ago

I think there's a point to be made when one OS can actually run programs meant for another. I think this makes it even more valuable, not less.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>I think this makes it even more valuable, not less. put it this way: I have the expenses and know how to simply have 2 native platforms if I need it. If I need to emulate something but don't feel like spinning a second boot, it's usually for a few niche programs I need very occasionally. Otherwise, I can just get that OS ready. That's how I see the Steam Deck. I simply have a portable windows machine that has Steam on it, so I don't see the incremental value of having these games run through Proton while having a linux machine. Because I have "running windows games" covered. If it was running Linux games natively, I may in fact buy it simply to help say to developers that I want more native games on Linux. But if devs just keep focusing on Windows, I have that set already. And To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the form factor nor screen to begin with, so it'd be a bigger compromise choosing to play on a Steam Deck than if I could choose other machines.

dizhn 3y ago
> But if devs just keep focusing on Windows, I have that set already. It is what it is. I would say they will never focus on Linux but it's not so clear anymore. A lot of things are changing fast. > And To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the form factor nor screen to begin with, so it'd be a bigger compromise choosing to play on a Steam Deck than if I could choose other machines. Luckily even better handhelds seem to be coming out. Asus ROG Ally (windows) is worth a look, as is Ayn Odin 2 (android..Now we have this too as a potential gaming platform to consider. Maybe not today, but who knows.). I recommend ETA PRIME's youtube channel to keep an eye on these things. https://www.youtube.com/@ETAPRIME https://www.youtube.com/@ETAPRIME

piaste 3y ago

There was an article posted on HN a few weeks ago, about Excel's rise over Lotus 1-2-3. Excel was acknowledged as a better software pretty early on, and could always import Lotus spreadsheets, but it really started gaining adoption once it was able to export to Lotus files. Counter-intuitively, the ability to stay within the Lotus ecosystem (and switch back at any time) is what enabled a lot of people on the fence to try Excel out. Only once Excel became dominant did people actually switch to XLS files.

pasc1878 3y ago
Surely a main reason Excel gained market share was that it was graphical i.e. on Windows. Probably gained when OS/2 and Windows 3 came out giving a decent graphical environment. I used Excel on Windows 2 from its release but I would be an outlier.