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It's fucking brilliant in a way that only absolute hypocrites could manage: Florida's right wing government and the rest of the American right is up in arms (pe

It's fucking brilliant in a way that only absolute hypocrites could manage: Florida's right wing government and the rest of the American right is up in arms (perhaps rightfully) about the curtailing of AP courses in science and math in the name of "equity" - yet they're perfectly happy to kneecap any sort of education that violates their increasingly Taliban-like social 'mores'. Oh and that whole freedom of speech bender they were on last year? They didn't mean it.

nielsbot 3y ago
It’s all religious fundamentalism.
- noduerme 3y ago
  if you mean evangelicals and progressive doomsayers both, I totally agree.
  - phmqk76 3y ago
    No. Right wingers wrap themselves up in religious fundamentalism, it’s their stated goal. Not the left. You could disagree with how San Francisco handles math education (I certainly do), but don’t blame religious fundamentalism.
    - noduerme 3y ago
      I used to think the causes and clothing of the left were more founded in humanism and logic than the senseless barbarian reactionary religion of the right, and I think they actually were until around the advent of social media when adopting leftist positions required you to think through problems before you were allowed to join groups for vanity (certain 60s vanity-left organizations aside). Now it appears to me just as much an organized religion as anything on the right. Both are doomsday cults full of mostly incoherent followers who can't articulate their basic positions, but are willing to die for them, having nothing much to live for.
      - nielsbot 3y ago
        I literally meant fundamentalists. God is a Christian nation. Gays are the devil. Jews are evil. The sanctity of life. Leading to abortion bans, book bans, education and laws modeled on religious laws. That’s the core of the american right. And it’s being exploited by capitalists. That said capitalism is a near religion in the US and “runs things” for both the left and right in the government. As for your comment—I think you’re conflating tribalism especially as enabled on social media with actual religion.
        noduerme 3y ago
        Yeah, those religious fundamentalist ideologies have no place in a modern, civilized society. My issue with the Progressive "tribe" is that it looks at the other tribes, concludes to some degree correctly that they're a bunch of illiterate fascists, and then declares that anti-capitalist economic leveling and socialist reeducation are the only possible cure. Their small-d democratic credentials are hardly better than those of the guy with the horns. It's been about 15 years of social media, and it's hard not to take it as a gauge of true political sentiment at this point. There aren't a lot of other outlets where we get to hear what people are thinking. But I do go to a lot of bars, both in deep red Oregon country and in ultra-blue Portland, and I'm not actually on social media, so I'm basing this off what I hear from people in person over a drink, not stuff I read on X/Twitter. Simply put: In PDX, I own two cars, I'm evil. In Salem, I'm a Jewish liberal, I'm evil. I've come to the conclusion that they're all idiots.
        nielsbot 3y ago
        Are you saying you're worried about communism?
Afforess 3y ago
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- gedy 3y ago
  That sounds a lot like (American) progressive proposals too?
  - clipsy 3y ago
    Which ones?
    - noduerme 3y ago
      the ones who out-group the working class as a set of un-evolved barbarians who couldn't possibly make reasonable economic or moral choices for themselves
      - phmqk76 3y ago
        How does that work? Last time I checked, we fetishized working class Trump voters who happily march cast their lot with a fascist, explaining away their hateful and anti-democratic actions as simple rebellion against NAFTA or fentanyl. I don’t infantilize anyone, and expect all of us to own our political actions.
        noduerme 3y ago
        The pre-progessive left had a better policy. They neither infantilized nor fetishized those people. They tried to form a bloc to protect their jobs and send their kids to college. Is the lower middle class a dangerous potential axis of fascism in a de-industrializing society? Fuck yeah it is. They're the most prone to anti-democratic rhetoric. What's your solution then? Act like they don't exist?
      - 3y ago

nielsbot 3y ago

It’s all religious fundamentalism.

noduerme 3y ago
if you mean evangelicals and progressive doomsayers both, I totally agree.
- phmqk76 3y ago
  No. Right wingers wrap themselves up in religious fundamentalism, it’s their stated goal. Not the left. You could disagree with how San Francisco handles math education (I certainly do), but don’t blame religious fundamentalism.
  - noduerme 3y ago
    I used to think the causes and clothing of the left were more founded in humanism and logic than the senseless barbarian reactionary religion of the right, and I think they actually were until around the advent of social media when adopting leftist positions required you to think through problems before you were allowed to join groups for vanity (certain 60s vanity-left organizations aside). Now it appears to me just as much an organized religion as anything on the right. Both are doomsday cults full of mostly incoherent followers who can't articulate their basic positions, but are willing to die for them, having nothing much to live for.
    - nielsbot 3y ago
      I literally meant fundamentalists. God is a Christian nation. Gays are the devil. Jews are evil. The sanctity of life. Leading to abortion bans, book bans, education and laws modeled on religious laws. That’s the core of the american right. And it’s being exploited by capitalists. That said capitalism is a near religion in the US and “runs things” for both the left and right in the government. As for your comment—I think you’re conflating tribalism especially as enabled on social media with actual religion.
      - noduerme 3y ago
        Yeah, those religious fundamentalist ideologies have no place in a modern, civilized society. My issue with the Progressive "tribe" is that it looks at the other tribes, concludes to some degree correctly that they're a bunch of illiterate fascists, and then declares that anti-capitalist economic leveling and socialist reeducation are the only possible cure. Their small-d democratic credentials are hardly better than those of the guy with the horns. It's been about 15 years of social media, and it's hard not to take it as a gauge of true political sentiment at this point. There aren't a lot of other outlets where we get to hear what people are thinking. But I do go to a lot of bars, both in deep red Oregon country and in ultra-blue Portland, and I'm not actually on social media, so I'm basing this off what I hear from people in person over a drink, not stuff I read on X/Twitter. Simply put: In PDX, I own two cars, I'm evil. In Salem, I'm a Jewish liberal, I'm evil. I've come to the conclusion that they're all idiots.
        nielsbot 3y ago
        Are you saying you're worried about communism?

Afforess 3y ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

gedy 3y ago
That sounds a lot like (American) progressive proposals too?
- clipsy 3y ago
  Which ones?
  - noduerme 3y ago
    the ones who out-group the working class as a set of un-evolved barbarians who couldn't possibly make reasonable economic or moral choices for themselves
    - phmqk76 3y ago
      How does that work? Last time I checked, we fetishized working class Trump voters who happily march cast their lot with a fascist, explaining away their hateful and anti-democratic actions as simple rebellion against NAFTA or fentanyl. I don’t infantilize anyone, and expect all of us to own our political actions.
      - noduerme 3y ago
        The pre-progessive left had a better policy. They neither infantilized nor fetishized those people. They tried to form a bloc to protect their jobs and send their kids to college. Is the lower middle class a dangerous potential axis of fascism in a de-industrializing society? Fuck yeah it is. They're the most prone to anti-democratic rhetoric. What's your solution then? Act like they don't exist?
    - 3y ago