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>A lot if it can be addressed by having western countries order more costly physical goods that last longer and are more repairable. I would love, LOVE to see

>A lot if it can be addressed by having western countries order more costly physical goods that last longer and are more repairable. I would love, LOVE to see that. Together with more local production, repair industry with middle-class jobs, and overall education of people on how to take good care of what they own. Except, how many green activists have you seen actually suggesting it? The solutions proposed so far: * Have fewer kids * Eat less meat * Suffer with no A/C * Rent an apartment instead of owning a house * Don't drive outside, sit at home * Don't use plastic bags and straws All of these lower life quality of regular people, are not even in the top 10 of biggest polluters, and often angled towards more wealth transfer to the corporations (like less kids => lower salary expectations). I think, it's a reasonable, rational and well-informed choice to not agree with, and not support these policies.

wyre 3y ago
Add biking or taking public transit instead of driving and not flying in planes as well. Having fewer kids, eating less meat, using human powered or public transport instead of cars or planes are the biggest things individuals can do to lower their personal emissions. Also everything you listed are things nearly everyone can do. Creating local production and improving our repair industry are pipe dreams that go against the current capitalist mindset. It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: we are all going to die to global warming because we wont stop abusing fossil fuels to selfishly maintain our quality of life.
- matrix_overload 3y ago
  That's just not fair. "Sorry, honey, I need more drinking money, so the biggest thing you can do to optimize the family budget, is wear second-hand clothes and eat at soup kitchen". Screw that, I'm not sacrificing my lifestyle for their profits. >It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: we are all going to die to global warming because we wont stop abusing fossil fuels to selfishly maintain our quality of life. Nope, you are being used. If the rich seriously thought that we are all going to die in our lifetimes, they would not be having kids and buying waterfront properties. Nope, they don't think so. They created the whole sense of panic and urgency, so you would not be asking them why you can't afford kids, house and a healthy assortment of gourmet meats, but would instead go after people like me who do not buy into the BS. You need to be skeptical, look what people actually do (rather than say), and who owns the people that say things that influence you.
  - wyre 3y ago
    Nothing is fair. Stop being selfish. The absurdly wealthy showcase sociopathic tendencies and will choose things in their self interest at the expense of the rest of us. Doing something because the opulent does will only create a tragedy of the commons that will only accelerate the death knell of global warming and climate catastrophe. I have no control over the actions of oligarchs (besides voting) but I have control over mine.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  > It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: The problem is that even if we solve global warming, we are still going to die, probably at the same time. Being concerned about the effects of climate change means having empathy for your children and grandchildren who will suffer much more from it.

wyre 3y ago

Add biking or taking public transit instead of driving and not flying in planes as well. Having fewer kids, eating less meat, using human powered or public transport instead of cars or planes are the biggest things individuals can do to lower their personal emissions. Also everything you listed are things nearly everyone can do. Creating local production and improving our repair industry are pipe dreams that go against the current capitalist mindset. It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: we are all going to die to global warming because we wont stop abusing fossil fuels to selfishly maintain our quality of life.

matrix_overload 3y ago
That's just not fair. "Sorry, honey, I need more drinking money, so the biggest thing you can do to optimize the family budget, is wear second-hand clothes and eat at soup kitchen". Screw that, I'm not sacrificing my lifestyle for their profits. >It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: we are all going to die to global warming because we wont stop abusing fossil fuels to selfishly maintain our quality of life. Nope, you are being used. If the rich seriously thought that we are all going to die in our lifetimes, they would not be having kids and buying waterfront properties. Nope, they don't think so. They created the whole sense of panic and urgency, so you would not be asking them why you can't afford kids, house and a healthy assortment of gourmet meats, but would instead go after people like me who do not buy into the BS. You need to be skeptical, look what people actually do (rather than say), and who owns the people that say things that influence you.
- wyre 3y ago
  Nothing is fair. Stop being selfish. The absurdly wealthy showcase sociopathic tendencies and will choose things in their self interest at the expense of the rest of us. Doing something because the opulent does will only create a tragedy of the commons that will only accelerate the death knell of global warming and climate catastrophe. I have no control over the actions of oligarchs (besides voting) but I have control over mine.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
> It’s a tired argument that these things lower our quality of life: The problem is that even if we solve global warming, we are still going to die, probably at the same time. Being concerned about the effects of climate change means having empathy for your children and grandchildren who will suffer much more from it.