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It's also why the F150 lightning appears to be an absolute flop: Its range goes to crap when you're towing, and people who want F150's at least think of themsel

It's also why the F150 lightning appears to be an absolute flop: Its range goes to crap when you're towing, and people who want F150's at least think of themselves as people who want to be able to tow. (Actual towing with F150's is likely low, but most people who buy one, want to have the option.)

asdff 3y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if people had resale value in the back of their mind. Tacomas are another popular truck but the top trims with the largest engines certainly command a premium and hold their used value better than the perhaps more economical 2wd 4 cylinder tacomas.
snoman 3y ago
I thought it was a flop because it was basically impossible to actually buy one due to availability?
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  And they had battery issues early on that gave EV skeptical people an easy out to ignore them.
_ea1k 3y ago
> people who want F150's at least think of themselves as people who want to be able to tow I've only found this to be true on the internet. In the real world, it is much less common. Lots of people realize that their truck is just the commuter and home depot stuff hauler.
- chungy 3y ago
  At least it still performs well at the "Home Depot stuff hauler" part. A sedan is absolutely impossible to work for that use case. (Ok: I'm a bit defensive. There's a concerted Internet effort over the past year to paint all pickups as a status symbol without justification, as if every empty bed or fresh-from-the-car-wash truck is proof that the owner doesn't need it. Even if you just move furniture every so often, I totally disagree with the sentiment. If I can afford two vehicles, a pickup and sedan would be a good combo; for now, just a pickup is good.)
  - oezi 3y ago
    But if you only now and then, getting a rental for this is much cheaper. Or just get delivery, even cheaper.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      That isn't necessarily true. Rentals can be really inconvenient and surprisingly expensive.
- specialist 3y ago
  The real world is the domain of empiricists. Rationalists rule online.
nuancebydefault 3y ago
The few times you tow, you typically need full range, or what do you try to say?
- coderenegade 3y ago
  If your range is shot because you're towing, it's probably a lot worse to have to recharge at a public charger with your boat on the back than it is to stop at a gas station. Keeping in mind of course that the limitations of charging mean you're also having to do this dance more frequently.

asdff 3y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if people had resale value in the back of their mind. Tacomas are another popular truck but the top trims with the largest engines certainly command a premium and hold their used value better than the perhaps more economical 2wd 4 cylinder tacomas.

snoman 3y ago

I thought it was a flop because it was basically impossible to actually buy one due to availability?

mrguyorama 3y ago
And they had battery issues early on that gave EV skeptical people an easy out to ignore them.

_ea1k 3y ago

> people who want F150's at least think of themselves as people who want to be able to tow I've only found this to be true on the internet. In the real world, it is much less common. Lots of people realize that their truck is just the commuter and home depot stuff hauler.

chungy 3y ago
At least it still performs well at the "Home Depot stuff hauler" part. A sedan is absolutely impossible to work for that use case. (Ok: I'm a bit defensive. There's a concerted Internet effort over the past year to paint all pickups as a status symbol without justification, as if every empty bed or fresh-from-the-car-wash truck is proof that the owner doesn't need it. Even if you just move furniture every so often, I totally disagree with the sentiment. If I can afford two vehicles, a pickup and sedan would be a good combo; for now, just a pickup is good.)
- oezi 3y ago
  But if you only now and then, getting a rental for this is much cheaper. Or just get delivery, even cheaper.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    That isn't necessarily true. Rentals can be really inconvenient and surprisingly expensive.
specialist 3y ago
The real world is the domain of empiricists. Rationalists rule online.

nuancebydefault 3y ago

The few times you tow, you typically need full range, or what do you try to say?

coderenegade 3y ago
If your range is shot because you're towing, it's probably a lot worse to have to recharge at a public charger with your boat on the back than it is to stop at a gas station. Keeping in mind of course that the limitations of charging mean you're also having to do this dance more frequently.