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Moving to the country has really opened up my eyes for food production, especially meat. There are so many small farmers here that are basically shut out from

Moving to the country has really opened up my eyes for food production, especially meat. There are so many small farmers here that are basically shut out from the economy because of impossible USDA guidelines. And we're honestly supposed to believe that mega meat processing plants are somehow better for us? It's delusional. Call your representative and ask them to support the PRIME act. https://ij.org/initiatives/food-freedom/prime-act/ https://ij.org/initiatives/food-freedom/prime-act/

freejazz 3y ago
lol what? I live in NYC and buy from small upstate farms from my butcher that only sells pastured meats... the USDA doesn't seem to be a problem for them at all
- brookside 3y ago
  Pasteurized as in the meats are pre-cooked? Or are you possibly meaning pasture-raised?
  - arrosenberg 3y ago
    Pastured. As in, raised in a pasture.
- michael_michael 3y ago
  I'm not sure your example disproves OP. Your artisanal butcher can pass on any costs of compliance to you, and people like you who live in wealth-dense NYC and are willing to pay extra for pasture-raised meats. That is not true for much of the population that expects to pay $5 for a Costco rotisserie chicken.
malcolmgreaves 3y ago
Well, this is quite thinly vieled attempt to let corporations hurt people and make a profit doing it! You've linked to a politically Republican organization's page, where they're promoting legislation that would let companies produce unsanitary and unsafe meat. Do you not understand that the USDA guidelines are (a) easily obtainable and (b) exist to keep people from getting sick or dying from unsanitary meat? Or do you just stand to individually profit from this legislation?
- dreadlordbone 3y ago
  "You've linked to a politically Republican organization's page" Why does this matter? You could have said "a political organization's" but didn't.
  - malcolmgreaves 3y ago
    If I did that, I'd be intentionally leaving out critical information that is necessary to understand the context, motivation, and aim of the article.
- tristor 3y ago
  > a politically Republican organization Your other arguments aside, why is this surprising or relevant? For whatever else you can say about the broken politics in America, the only party that gives a shit about rural people is the Republicans, so of course any organization focused on rural issues is Republican.
  - malcolmgreaves 3y ago
    > the only party that gives a shit about rural people is the Republicans Unfortunately, the Republican party has long outspent its benefit of the doubt. I'll admit that Republicans say they care about rural people. But, then again, the Republican party says a lot of things, much of it are easily disprovable lies. An easy one to point out is the lie that "the 2020 election was stolen" or that the numerous criminal cases against the former president, backed by tremendous evidence, are "witch hunts". These, and other lies, are constantly pushed by the Republican party, its leadership, and the most vocal advocates of the party. The Republican party doesn't have any credibility left. So, I'll continue to do the rational thing, which is to ignore the folks that have a long history, and ample evidence in the present, of intentionally lying. Of course, I could be swayed if you can point to actual laws, executive actions, or judicial rulings made by Republicans -- and in opposition by Democrats -- that resoundly demonstrates that there is "only one party that gives a shit about rural people."
    - 3y ago
Trisell 3y ago
100% this. As a small time farmer. I cannot butcher my own animals and sell them to anybody directly. I have to sell them "on the hoof" in a minimum size of a quarter of an animal and then have a custom butcher process the animal. I can't sell any of my meat directly to a person after it's butchered, or to a restaurant. I can only sell in those cases if I go to an FDA certified meat processor, which is 400 miles one way from my property. So essentially I'm limited to selling meat to either friends and family or shipping my animals 400 miles and paying $2 a pound in processing costs. So no the Prime act isn't a way for corporations to go around the rules, it's so small guys like myself can sell meat to people without having to truck it 800 miles.
- rndmize 3y ago
  Reading from the linked website, it looks like the PRIME act is a way to avoid federal regulation in favor of potentially looser state regulation. Now I have no dog in this fight, but why couldn't we say, push for the house ag committee to get some people from the FDA to explain why these slaughterhouse regs are so onerous? Is passing a bill the best way to get something done?
  - Trisell 3y ago
    I would say that anybody who is interested in the system should listen to this. All of the people in this panel, called by both Republicans and Democrats, call out the need for serious reforms of the FDA inspection system. And how the FDA system specifically allows large meat corporations to cut the little guy out of cutting meat. If you think that the current system limits 'bad meat' from entering the system. You need to understand that the FDA is fully captured by the corporations that it's supposed to be governing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xcOkwgdi0&pp=ygURcHJpbWUgYWN0IGhlYXJpbmc%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xcOkwgdi0&pp=ygURcHJpbWUgY...

freejazz 3y ago

lol what? I live in NYC and buy from small upstate farms from my butcher that only sells pastured meats... the USDA doesn't seem to be a problem for them at all

brookside 3y ago
Pasteurized as in the meats are pre-cooked? Or are you possibly meaning pasture-raised?
- arrosenberg 3y ago
  Pastured. As in, raised in a pasture.
michael_michael 3y ago
I'm not sure your example disproves OP. Your artisanal butcher can pass on any costs of compliance to you, and people like you who live in wealth-dense NYC and are willing to pay extra for pasture-raised meats. That is not true for much of the population that expects to pay $5 for a Costco rotisserie chicken.

malcolmgreaves 3y ago

Well, this is quite thinly vieled attempt to let corporations hurt people and make a profit doing it! You've linked to a politically Republican organization's page, where they're promoting legislation that would let companies produce unsanitary and unsafe meat. Do you not understand that the USDA guidelines are (a) easily obtainable and (b) exist to keep people from getting sick or dying from unsanitary meat? Or do you just stand to individually profit from this legislation?

dreadlordbone 3y ago
"You've linked to a politically Republican organization's page" Why does this matter? You could have said "a political organization's" but didn't.
- malcolmgreaves 3y ago
  If I did that, I'd be intentionally leaving out critical information that is necessary to understand the context, motivation, and aim of the article.
tristor 3y ago
> a politically Republican organization Your other arguments aside, why is this surprising or relevant? For whatever else you can say about the broken politics in America, the only party that gives a shit about rural people is the Republicans, so of course any organization focused on rural issues is Republican.
- malcolmgreaves 3y ago
  > the only party that gives a shit about rural people is the Republicans Unfortunately, the Republican party has long outspent its benefit of the doubt. I'll admit that Republicans say they care about rural people. But, then again, the Republican party says a lot of things, much of it are easily disprovable lies. An easy one to point out is the lie that "the 2020 election was stolen" or that the numerous criminal cases against the former president, backed by tremendous evidence, are "witch hunts". These, and other lies, are constantly pushed by the Republican party, its leadership, and the most vocal advocates of the party. The Republican party doesn't have any credibility left. So, I'll continue to do the rational thing, which is to ignore the folks that have a long history, and ample evidence in the present, of intentionally lying. Of course, I could be swayed if you can point to actual laws, executive actions, or judicial rulings made by Republicans -- and in opposition by Democrats -- that resoundly demonstrates that there is "only one party that gives a shit about rural people."
  - 3y ago

Trisell 3y ago

100% this. As a small time farmer. I cannot butcher my own animals and sell them to anybody directly. I have to sell them "on the hoof" in a minimum size of a quarter of an animal and then have a custom butcher process the animal. I can't sell any of my meat directly to a person after it's butchered, or to a restaurant. I can only sell in those cases if I go to an FDA certified meat processor, which is 400 miles one way from my property. So essentially I'm limited to selling meat to either friends and family or shipping my animals 400 miles and paying $2 a pound in processing costs. So no the Prime act isn't a way for corporations to go around the rules, it's so small guys like myself can sell meat to people without having to truck it 800 miles.

rndmize 3y ago
Reading from the linked website, it looks like the PRIME act is a way to avoid federal regulation in favor of potentially looser state regulation. Now I have no dog in this fight, but why couldn't we say, push for the house ag committee to get some people from the FDA to explain why these slaughterhouse regs are so onerous? Is passing a bill the best way to get something done?
- Trisell 3y ago
  I would say that anybody who is interested in the system should listen to this. All of the people in this panel, called by both Republicans and Democrats, call out the need for serious reforms of the FDA inspection system. And how the FDA system specifically allows large meat corporations to cut the little guy out of cutting meat. If you think that the current system limits 'bad meat' from entering the system. You need to understand that the FDA is fully captured by the corporations that it's supposed to be governing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xcOkwgdi0&pp=ygURcHJpbWUgYWN0IGhlYXJpbmc%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xcOkwgdi0&pp=ygURcHJpbWUgY...