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Contract law is running afoul of the first-sale doctrine here. Tesla can not enforce many clauses in a potential contract or license via the legal system, so it

Contract law is running afoul of the first-sale doctrine here. Tesla can not enforce many clauses in a potential contract or license via the legal system, so it's not as cut-and-dry as "you don't own the code". Copyright has zero application here unless you redistribute Tesla's code or binaries. Reverse-engineering is a legal practice (in US law, at least).

toomuchtodo 3y ago
> Copyright has zero application here unless you redistribute Tesla's code or binaries. Reverse-engineering is a legal practice (in US law, at least). Reverse engineering to utilize software you didn't pay for and don't have a license or some other legal authority to use is unlikely to pass muster legally, versus for interoperability purposes. https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq (Control-F "What Exceptions Does DMCA Section 1201 Have To Allow Reverse Engineering?")
- hooverd 3y ago
  Tesla can't sue you if you splice a switch into the seat heater relays! I don't know if that's a good idea. Or maybe they thought of that and they don't turn on unless there's some of key exchange.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    That's BMW, not Tesla. Tesla only offers subscriptions for premium mobile network connectivity and FSD. A quality rocker switch would meet your needs for the BMW seat heater use case. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription... EDIT: I stand corrected. It appears there was a window of time where Tesla offered rear heated seats as an upgrade on a base trim standard range Model 3. https://electrek.co/2020/02/15/tesla-rear-heated-seats-model-3-ota-upgrades/ https://electrek.co/2020/02/15/tesla-rear-heated-seats-model...
    - Kirby64 3y ago
      The cheapest Tesla's offered a one time unlock for rear seat seat heaters. Not any different from bmw, except bmw also offered a subscription option (bmw also offered a lifetime unlock... at a much higher price).
freejazz 3y ago
Using software without the license to is copyright infringement, full stop.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  In what way? No copy was ever made.
  - freejazz 3y ago
    Using a copyrighted work without license is copyright infringement. Not sure how to make that clearer to you.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Using a copyrighted work without license is copyright infringement Only for the kinds of “use” that involve the exclusive rights of the copyright owner (“use” generally does not), and even then not always, because there are exceptions to copyright.
    - 8note 3y ago
      If I put a book a don't have a license to under a table leg to make it stop wobbling, it is not copyright infringement

toomuchtodo 3y ago

> Copyright has zero application here unless you redistribute Tesla's code or binaries. Reverse-engineering is a legal practice (in US law, at least). Reverse engineering to utilize software you didn't pay for and don't have a license or some other legal authority to use is unlikely to pass muster legally, versus for interoperability purposes. https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq (Control-F "What Exceptions Does DMCA Section 1201 Have To Allow Reverse Engineering?")

hooverd 3y ago
Tesla can't sue you if you splice a switch into the seat heater relays! I don't know if that's a good idea. Or maybe they thought of that and they don't turn on unless there's some of key exchange.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  That's BMW, not Tesla. Tesla only offers subscriptions for premium mobile network connectivity and FSD. A quality rocker switch would meet your needs for the BMW seat heater use case. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription... EDIT: I stand corrected. It appears there was a window of time where Tesla offered rear heated seats as an upgrade on a base trim standard range Model 3. https://electrek.co/2020/02/15/tesla-rear-heated-seats-model-3-ota-upgrades/ https://electrek.co/2020/02/15/tesla-rear-heated-seats-model...
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    The cheapest Tesla's offered a one time unlock for rear seat seat heaters. Not any different from bmw, except bmw also offered a subscription option (bmw also offered a lifetime unlock... at a much higher price).

freejazz 3y ago

Using software without the license to is copyright infringement, full stop.

rightbyte 3y ago
In what way? No copy was ever made.
- freejazz 3y ago
  Using a copyrighted work without license is copyright infringement. Not sure how to make that clearer to you.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Using a copyrighted work without license is copyright infringement Only for the kinds of “use” that involve the exclusive rights of the copyright owner (“use” generally does not), and even then not always, because there are exceptions to copyright.
  - 8note 3y ago
    If I put a book a don't have a license to under a table leg to make it stop wobbling, it is not copyright infringement