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We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. Talking about "Chrome this and that" all the

by rapnie 3y ago

We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. Talking about "Chrome this and that" all the time we forget what that really means, namely: Using the strategic tools of the largest Advertising Agency in the world, that allows them to ever grow their dominance. Chrome, GMail and all that jazz all fit into a global-scale ad-tech framework to push shady ads and slurp in your PII for shady business. Google uses monopolies and oligopolies to force itself into your life. In other words.. Google is SHADY BUSINESS. And that should be the framing to spread about. Always repeating that Google is an advertising giant. Not some trustworthy biz. Zero integrity. So how can Chrome relate to integrity then? Is your Bank using Google's integrity foo? Give them a support call. Act like a noob and keep them busy for as long as possible with "It isn't working". Until they explain about Integrity + Chrome. Then comes the angry phase: "WHAT? Are you in bed with a SHADY advertising agency?? I thought you were a trustworthy bank."

jkingsman 3y ago
> Give them a support call. Act like a noob and keep them busy for as long as possible with "It isn't working". I'm all for grassroots change, but I really don't think that doing this to Tier 1 support staff is going to effect any real change. With all love to my helpdesk folks, what matters is ticket closure metrics and call duration -- an emotional outburst isn't going to change a thing.
- abwizz 3y ago
  seems like an emotional outburst is not the worst way to have a long call with no actionable outcomes. my sympathies for the call staff thou
- drchaos 3y ago
  "I also have an account with xyz and there I don't have this problem" might be an effective addition.
amelius 3y ago
> We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. This is exactly what we need to change. "Free" services are never really free. You pay for them in the end, anyway, and doubly so. First with your data, then with your money. The free internet may be nice for some people, but we all pay the advertising tax in the products we buy. It would be much better if we banned this entire freemium pricing model and started paying for things like in the old days. It would solve a lot of problems.
delfinom 3y ago
Google is just copying Apple, this is the entire funny part. Apple is over 50% of US market share of phones https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att... You should be more afraid of banks soon requiring Apple devices only
- elefanten 3y ago
  I don’t follow this logic. For one… the other 50% is Google. But Google has equal or better market share of many other key product/service areas… and significantly higher share in the web advertising ecosystem central to the discussion.
gniv 3y ago
How did you get from Advertising Agency to Shady Business? Agencies on Madison Avenue are not generally thought of as shady.
- rapnie 3y ago
  They aren't exploiting global monopolies and oligopolies either, forcing technologies down people's throat that will cement and further expand their already overly dominant position. For the most part they aren't pushing ostensibly benign tools that lure and capture people in their web (i.e. Google Web literally).

by rapnie 3y ago

jkingsman 3y ago

> Give them a support call. Act like a noob and keep them busy for as long as possible with "It isn't working". I'm all for grassroots change, but I really don't think that doing this to Tier 1 support staff is going to effect any real change. With all love to my helpdesk folks, what matters is ticket closure metrics and call duration -- an emotional outburst isn't going to change a thing.

abwizz 3y ago
seems like an emotional outburst is not the worst way to have a long call with no actionable outcomes. my sympathies for the call staff thou
drchaos 3y ago
"I also have an account with xyz and there I don't have this problem" might be an effective addition.

amelius 3y ago

> We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. This is exactly what we need to change. "Free" services are never really free. You pay for them in the end, anyway, and doubly so. First with your data, then with your money. The free internet may be nice for some people, but we all pay the advertising tax in the products we buy. It would be much better if we banned this entire freemium pricing model and started paying for things like in the old days. It would solve a lot of problems.

delfinom 3y ago

Google is just copying Apple, this is the entire funny part. Apple is over 50% of US market share of phones https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att... You should be more afraid of banks soon requiring Apple devices only

elefanten 3y ago
I don’t follow this logic. For one… the other 50% is Google. But Google has equal or better market share of many other key product/service areas… and significantly higher share in the web advertising ecosystem central to the discussion.

gniv 3y ago

How did you get from Advertising Agency to Shady Business? Agencies on Madison Avenue are not generally thought of as shady.

rapnie 3y ago
They aren't exploiting global monopolies and oligopolies either, forcing technologies down people's throat that will cement and further expand their already overly dominant position. For the most part they aren't pushing ostensibly benign tools that lure and capture people in their web (i.e. Google Web literally).