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> is going to be a wild success The Mac Pro accounts for 11% of all Mac computers sold and 40-50% (~$20bln) of Mac revenues in 2022 (including laptops); the M

> is going to be a wild success The Mac Pro accounts for 11% of all Mac computers sold and 40-50% (~$20bln) of Mac revenues in 2022 (including laptops); the Mac Studio is only 1% of units shipped. What's your definition of wild success?

1123581321 3y ago
The Mac Pro is their lowest volume computer. You’re thinking of MacBook Pro, perhaps. The MacBook Pro is a laptop and the Mac Pro is a full tower desktop.
- tomnipotent 3y ago
  Nope. The MacBook Pro outsells it four to one, but the Mac Pro _starts_ at $7k and goes up to $25-50k fully loaded. It's easy to underestimate the enterprise market. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/
  - 1123581321 3y ago
    Oh, that report. No comment on the accuracy. I did misunderstand you to be talking about all Mac revenue and not just desktops. I work on a 2019 Mac Pro so am familiar with the price range.
threeseed 3y ago
Not sure where CIRP gets its numbers. Because the Mac Pro outselling the Mac mini by 10x doesn't seem believable to me. And especially in 2022 when the Intel Mac Pro was being outperformed by the Mac Studio.
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- tomnipotent 3y ago
  There's a reason the Mac Mini went longer than the Pro without an update. Compared to the Studio, the Pro has dual 10Gb Ethernet, SATA and PCIe Gen 4, and a rack-mounted chassis option. For certain classes of enterprise workloads, that makes a difference. Think VFX, post production, sound stages and recording that can't use the Studio for lack of PCIe expansion slots for industry-related hardware (HDX/DSP).
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Well, those same VFX people now can't use their GPUs on the new Mac Pro. Thankfully VFX Reference Platform also accounts for Windows and Linux, https://vfxplatform.com/ https://vfxplatform.com/
    - tomnipotent 3y ago
      Why would you need a separate GPU when you have integrated 60-core GPU with access to up to 198gb of memory? Like what you'd need a render farm? Apple Metal is already a target for all the important tools.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Because GPUs are more than just memory, and in regards to your memory comment, unified memory is not the same as having a dedicated. And when the GPUs no longer can keep up, one doesn't need to throw away the whole computer.

1123581321 3y ago

The Mac Pro is their lowest volume computer. You’re thinking of MacBook Pro, perhaps. The MacBook Pro is a laptop and the Mac Pro is a full tower desktop.

tomnipotent 3y ago
Nope. The MacBook Pro outsells it four to one, but the Mac Pro _starts_ at $7k and goes up to $25-50k fully loaded. It's easy to underestimate the enterprise market. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/
- 1123581321 3y ago
  Oh, that report. No comment on the accuracy. I did misunderstand you to be talking about all Mac revenue and not just desktops. I work on a 2019 Mac Pro so am familiar with the price range.

threeseed 3y ago

Not sure where CIRP gets its numbers. Because the Mac Pro outselling the Mac mini by 10x doesn't seem believable to me. And especially in 2022 when the Intel Mac Pro was being outperformed by the Mac Studio.

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tomnipotent 3y ago
There's a reason the Mac Mini went longer than the Pro without an update. Compared to the Studio, the Pro has dual 10Gb Ethernet, SATA and PCIe Gen 4, and a rack-mounted chassis option. For certain classes of enterprise workloads, that makes a difference. Think VFX, post production, sound stages and recording that can't use the Studio for lack of PCIe expansion slots for industry-related hardware (HDX/DSP).
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Well, those same VFX people now can't use their GPUs on the new Mac Pro. Thankfully VFX Reference Platform also accounts for Windows and Linux, https://vfxplatform.com/ https://vfxplatform.com/
  - tomnipotent 3y ago
    Why would you need a separate GPU when you have integrated 60-core GPU with access to up to 198gb of memory? Like what you'd need a render farm? Apple Metal is already a target for all the important tools.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Because GPUs are more than just memory, and in regards to your memory comment, unified memory is not the same as having a dedicated. And when the GPUs no longer can keep up, one doesn't need to throw away the whole computer.