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I could live with it but the keyboard shortcuts are generally worse than Linux. https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34547b9fc3f https://g

I could live with it but the keyboard shortcuts are generally worse than Linux. https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34547b9fc3f https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34...

thebitstick 3y ago
I have the opposite opinion for macOS shortcuts vs Linux/Windows/IBM shortcuts. Practically everything is handled with Cmd, with Option/Shift/Control being modifiers. It's the exception if something is handled exclusively with Option/Shift/Control, example being web browsers and Finder for tabs. Text selection is superior in macOS, and anyone who argues PgUp/PgDn/Home/End being a better solution in combination with Shift and Ctrl is insane. Depending on the port of a 3rd-party application, it may adopt macOS shortcuts and be consistent with everything else, or keep IBM/Windows-style shortcuts and break compatibility with other apps.
weikju 3y ago
On the other hand, in a terminal, I can use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V/etc for their intended (in-terminal) purposes and Cmd-C/Cmd-V/etc for their intended (macOS-wide) purposes...
- NayamAmarshe 3y ago
  On Linux you don't need a separate key though. Ctrl + Shift is all you need.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? It should be the same, and macs actually got it right. The first time I had a mac (from an employer), I was annoyed by it, but it is the superior way. Especially that not all terminal emulators go with ctrl+shift either, so there is also the “let’s copy it with shift, nope, without shift, nope, again, oh I killed the process”.
    - NayamAmarshe 3y ago
      > Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? How is it worse? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + D, Ctrl + Z all work as expected in the terminal. Now you want to copy something, which is obviously not going to work with Ctrl + C, so you just add a Shift to it instead of moving to a totally different key (which you absolutely still could, btw). The mac way is less efficient & less flexible.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        No, ctrl+c works one way in the terminal, and a completely other way in every other GUI app. There is no good reason for this arbitrary change in meaning, objectively, otherwise from your logic it would follow that taking a screenshot would be logical in, say, gimp only by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+c, which I hope we can agree would make no sense.
        NayamAmarshe 3y ago
        Okay, I see your point now but it's a bit weird for me because having the Ctrl key only for a specific app seems unwise and still less efficient. It's not about Gimp, it's just the terminal that's special. I've never had an issue with Ctrl+Shift+C. I also don't press Ctrl+C accidentally because I know when I'm using the terminal. Even on macbook, I don't have issues with accidental presses but I don't like that I have to press an entirely different key on the keyboard to use the terminal.

thebitstick 3y ago

I have the opposite opinion for macOS shortcuts vs Linux/Windows/IBM shortcuts. Practically everything is handled with Cmd, with Option/Shift/Control being modifiers. It's the exception if something is handled exclusively with Option/Shift/Control, example being web browsers and Finder for tabs. Text selection is superior in macOS, and anyone who argues PgUp/PgDn/Home/End being a better solution in combination with Shift and Ctrl is insane. Depending on the port of a 3rd-party application, it may adopt macOS shortcuts and be consistent with everything else, or keep IBM/Windows-style shortcuts and break compatibility with other apps.

weikju 3y ago

On the other hand, in a terminal, I can use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V/etc for their intended (in-terminal) purposes and Cmd-C/Cmd-V/etc for their intended (macOS-wide) purposes...

NayamAmarshe 3y ago
On Linux you don't need a separate key though. Ctrl + Shift is all you need.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? It should be the same, and macs actually got it right. The first time I had a mac (from an employer), I was annoyed by it, but it is the superior way. Especially that not all terminal emulators go with ctrl+shift either, so there is also the “let’s copy it with shift, nope, without shift, nope, again, oh I killed the process”.
  - NayamAmarshe 3y ago
    > Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? How is it worse? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + D, Ctrl + Z all work as expected in the terminal. Now you want to copy something, which is obviously not going to work with Ctrl + C, so you just add a Shift to it instead of moving to a totally different key (which you absolutely still could, btw). The mac way is less efficient & less flexible.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      No, ctrl+c works one way in the terminal, and a completely other way in every other GUI app. There is no good reason for this arbitrary change in meaning, objectively, otherwise from your logic it would follow that taking a screenshot would be logical in, say, gimp only by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+c, which I hope we can agree would make no sense.
      - NayamAmarshe 3y ago
        Okay, I see your point now but it's a bit weird for me because having the Ctrl key only for a specific app seems unwise and still less efficient. It's not about Gimp, it's just the terminal that's special. I've never had an issue with Ctrl+Shift+C. I also don't press Ctrl+C accidentally because I know when I'm using the terminal. Even on macbook, I don't have issues with accidental presses but I don't like that I have to press an entirely different key on the keyboard to use the terminal.