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Without discussion of grammars, I think you're lost in the sauce on this. > You need a system that has knowledge and a world model and common-sense reasoning,
by shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Without discussion of grammars, I think you're lost in the sauce on this.
> You need a system that has knowledge and a world model and common-sense reasoning, etc. When you're doing nothing but "predict the next token based on statistical patterns" then yeah, you're going to get hallucinations.
Arguably, LLMs already have this. They can do impressive reasoning already. The problem may be that the way they encode all that is untenable. Imagine trying to describe a car in terms of its individual pieces (tires, suspension, engine). Then imagine trying to do that in terms of its molecules. Uh oh. Then its atoms. Even worse.
> How much will it cost?
To describe a car in terms of atoms? Infinite cost. We can barely even get a baby fruit fly's connectome (total brain schematic) read and stored somewhere. A car is much bigger.
It may be that LLMs are structured such that they're trying to encode all that common sense reasoning in terms of atoms, and a fundamentally different grammar is necessary to go up to parts.
Whether this is the case is still being debated. If it is the case, you'll see LLMs near a ceiling of diminishing returns.
> How much will it cost?
To figure out how to do LLMs with more expressive grammars? Unknown. I think that'd take a qualitative breakthrough in AI, and I think LLMs are just the result of a quantitative breakthrough (we're still doing the old, non-clever stuff; we're just doing it faster than ever before thanks to continued growth in GPU compute power; more monkeys on typewriters than ever before!). I don't think we've had much in the way of qualitative breakthroughs since the AI winter.
- mindcrime 3y agoArguably, LLMs already have this. They can do impressive reasoning already. The problem may be that the way they encode all that is untenable. Imagine trying to describe a car in terms of its individual pieces (tires, suspension, engine). Then imagine trying to do that in terms of its molecules. Uh oh. Then its atoms. Even worse. I will freely admit, I'm torn on how to think about this. On the one hand, some of the kinds of mistakes LLM's make lead me to think that they aren't exactly "doing reasoning" as I think of it. But the things they can do hint at some sort of reasoning. Part of me wants to think of it as "they can simulate reasoning", but there's a fair objection to be raised that "simulating reasoning is just as good as doing reasoning." Part of me wants to reject that, but then I remind myself that I've always claimed to be something like a "behaviorist" when it comes to evaluating AI's. That is, I've always tried to eschew those "it's not real thinking" arguments and focus on the observed behavior, holding to a "if it displays intelligent behavior then it is intelligent" mindset. LLM's have me sort of vacillating on all of this.
- cratermoon 3y ago> They can do impressive reasoning already. By no conception of reasoning I'm familiar with do LLMs reason, at all. They are clever software systems of an advanced sort of autocorrect/predictive text kind.