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> Tokyo Disneyland also has beautiful integrated water features that were totally incomprehensible to my American litigious-society self. Wait, there’s no raili

by TylerE 3y ago

> Tokyo Disneyland also has beautiful integrated water features that were totally incomprehensible to my American litigious-society self. Wait, there’s no railing here? How is this even possible?! I never would have imagined this was something you could do in a theme park. Because of the ADA, which is a damn good law, one of the very few things America gets right that the European democracies have not caught up with yet.

Aeolun 3y ago
I do not think water features are mutually exclusive with accessability.
- TylerE 3y ago
  When they have a walking stones over them they are. The picture from TFA literally shows people jumping from stone to stone, with path and benches on EITHER side, and near as I can tell from the photo there is no obvious bypass. This is the photo: https://i0.wp.com/cabel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/tokyo.jpg?resize=1024%2C895&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/cabel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/tokyo... I don't really see any way that wouldn't be an ADA violation.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > near as I can tell from the photo there is no obvious bypass. reply Perhaps across the bridge the photographer is standing on .. ? Can't see that? Nor can I. Point being it's such a tight shot there could be any number of alternative routes, jumping across the stones needn't be the only path.
  - rtpg 3y ago
    I am 99% certain there is a walkway there. There are plenty of absolutely inaccessible places in the Tokyo metropolitan area, but Tokyo Disneyland has a pretty flat/maintained walkway to give access to the whole park as the primary way of moving around IIRC
  - sneak 3y ago
    Building all public spaces for the least common denominator turns all of society into Harrison Bergeron.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Nonsense. Wheelchair access from the get go and such niceties doesn't lead to ad absurdum leg breaking of the able.
concordDance 3y ago
> Because of the ADA, which is a damn good law, one of the very few things America gets right that the European democracies have not caught up with yet. I'm not getting the logic here. So because a small number of people can't benefit from a fun jumping walkway the 95% don't get to benefit either? That seems incredibly spiteful.
brabel 3y ago
Tokyo is not in Europe so I am not sure why you're talking about Europe here :D. Anyway, do you seriously think that the path across the water is the ONLY way to cross that or you're just being intentionally silly??

by TylerE 3y ago

Aeolun 3y ago

I do not think water features are mutually exclusive with accessability.

TylerE 3y ago
When they have a walking stones over them they are. The picture from TFA literally shows people jumping from stone to stone, with path and benches on EITHER side, and near as I can tell from the photo there is no obvious bypass. This is the photo: https://i0.wp.com/cabel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/tokyo.jpg?resize=1024%2C895&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/cabel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/tokyo... I don't really see any way that wouldn't be an ADA violation.
- defrost 3y ago
  > near as I can tell from the photo there is no obvious bypass. reply Perhaps across the bridge the photographer is standing on .. ? Can't see that? Nor can I. Point being it's such a tight shot there could be any number of alternative routes, jumping across the stones needn't be the only path.
- rtpg 3y ago
  I am 99% certain there is a walkway there. There are plenty of absolutely inaccessible places in the Tokyo metropolitan area, but Tokyo Disneyland has a pretty flat/maintained walkway to give access to the whole park as the primary way of moving around IIRC
- sneak 3y ago
  Building all public spaces for the least common denominator turns all of society into Harrison Bergeron.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Nonsense. Wheelchair access from the get go and such niceties doesn't lead to ad absurdum leg breaking of the able.

concordDance 3y ago

> Because of the ADA, which is a damn good law, one of the very few things America gets right that the European democracies have not caught up with yet. I'm not getting the logic here. So because a small number of people can't benefit from a fun jumping walkway the 95% don't get to benefit either? That seems incredibly spiteful.

brabel 3y ago

Tokyo is not in Europe so I am not sure why you're talking about Europe here :D. Anyway, do you seriously think that the path across the water is the ONLY way to cross that or you're just being intentionally silly??