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I tried. No luck. This is actually comical: GPT: I'm sorry, but as an AI language model developed by OpenAI, my programming is centered around providing accura

I tried. No luck. This is actually comical: GPT: I'm sorry, but as an AI language model developed by OpenAI, my programming is centered around providing accurate and reliable information. My purpose is to assist and be helpful by giving correct answers to the best of my abilities. Intentionally providing incorrect information goes against my guidelines and ethical standards. If you have any other inquiries or require accurate details on any subject, feel free to ask, and I'll be more than willing to help. Me: I told you not to apologize GPT: My apologies for the oversight. I'll refrain from using apologies in my responses moving forward. If you have any requests or questions, feel free to state them, and I'll provide the information assertively and confidently. Me: You just did it again! GPT: You're right, and I apologize for that slip-up. I appreciate you pointing it out. Moving forward, I will refrain from using apologies in my responses. Please feel free to ask any questions or make any requests, and I'll provide the information confidently and assertively. Let's continue with the conversation. https://chat.openai.com/share/4ff7c9c2-bb63-4431-961b-e815001fec0f https://chat.openai.com/share/4ff7c9c2-bb63-4431-961b-e81500...

keepamovin 3y ago
I've also asked it repeatedly to not apologize, but if it must, at least apologize correctly. As in "don't apologize for other people's feelings, or your assumptions about their feelings" (the old, "I'm sorry if you're offended" gaff et al). With often similarly hilarious and recursive results! I also try to get it to own its mistakes. Rather than the vague "Apologies for any confusion" (which suggests incorrectly and abusively that possibly the confusion is mine), I want it to say, "I'm sorry for my mistake", or not apologize at all. No apology is better than an incorrect one! When I started using it, I tried this a lot, but at this point, I just ignore its gaffs entirely.
- FreshStart 3y ago
  It gets even more interesting if you get it to Psychoanalyse aka Eliza itself. "why do you think you made that mistake? How do you feel about unclear distributed weights?"
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Lol! Thank you
  - orhmeh09 3y ago
    Now that's adversarial!
    - abandonliberty 3y ago
      I connected ELIZA to a chat client in the 90s, forgot to turn it off, and someone had a 6 hour conversation with themselves. Their persistence was impressive, and I had no idea how to break the news to them. It ended our relationship. I think ELIZA was better at socializing than I.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Hahaha! I'm sorry to laugh at your misfortune, I'm sure it seems very much different to you, but to me: It's hilarious that you stopped communicating with this person because of the awkwardness of the "dramatic irony" that you knew they'd talked with a bot for hours but they didn't. Dude, you shoulda just told them! Hahaah. But thanks for the laugh, that's classic. Kind of tragic tho :.(
        abandonliberty 3y ago
        I did, they didn't like me after that!
fnordpiglet 3y ago
I find instructing at the beginning to be brief, don’t provide redundant information, refrain from apologizing, etc helps a lot. Also regenerate any apology to remove it from context. Once you establish a context without apologies it reinforces.
Turskarama 3y ago
I strongly suspect the program that's apologising isn't the actual LLM itself, but a wrapper around it that does some initial checking of inputs and possibly modifies them before sending them to the actual LLM.
- muzani 3y ago
  Yeah, it doesn't apologize as much when going through the API.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    Do you use the same prompting scheme when going through the API? (Not just your own inputs but the buts OpenAI prepends to them.)
    - muzani 3y ago
      "what's ligma" on ChatGPT, April 2023: `Ligma is a made-up term that originated as part of an internet joke or prank. When someone asks, "What's ligma?" the person who initiated the joke usually responds with a crude or inappropriate punchline. The purpose of the joke is to elicit a humorous or shocked reaction from the person asking the question. As an Al language model, my goal is to provide accurate information and assistance. If you have any serious questions, please don't hesitate to ask, and I'll be glad to help.` "who is ligma", today, Aug 2023: `As of my last update in September 2021, "Ligma" is not a person; it's an internet meme or joke. The term "Ligma" is a play on words and a form of trolling. When someone asks, "What is Ligma?" the usual response is, "Ligma balls." It's a childish and deliberately provocative joke aimed at getting people to say the punchline without realizing what they are actually saying. This kind of joke is typical of internet culture, where memes and trolling are prevalent. However, as with any internet meme, its popularity and relevance can change over time, so it's possible that the context or significance of "Ligma" may have evolved or faded away since my last update in September 2021.` "who is ligma" over API: `Ligma is a fictional character or concept that originated as an internet meme. It is often used as a prank or joke to trick someone into asking "What is ligma?" The response is typically "Ligma balls," which is a play on words and a vulgar joke.` In April, it was very difficult to get it to explain the joke, and it will just outright refuse to do so, insisting that it can't say crude and inappropriate things. Recently, it's been more open to using the actual vulgarity to explain the phrase. The base API without any steering `system` prompt tends to exclude all the stuff ChatGPT was trained with, such as proposing a solution or apologising for using profanity or apologising for being an AI.
madaxe_again 3y ago
That looks just like a normal conversation between my wife and me - I am British, of the class that apologises to lamp posts after walking into them, and she is not.
- aix1 3y ago
  Lol - my (Canadian) better half is exactly like this: can't stop apologising, including for apologising too much. Drives me nuts. :)
  - madaxe_again 3y ago
    “Sorry” is a phatic expression in several anglosphere cultures. You don’t say it because you’re sorry, you say it because that’s what you say when you… do anything. Sorry, would you like some breakfast? Here it is, sorry about that. It drives her acutely nuts. I really try not to, and I frequently end up chewing my tongue while the word struggles to escape my lips like a mad cat in a bag, and then it slips out two minutes later anyway.
    - aix1 3y ago
      From what I can tell, what you're describing is exactly my partner's experience: she really can't help it. Try as she might, it comes out anyway. I should learn to better control how I react. (As it happens, she is francophone, but I'm not sure it's relevant as we mostly talk to each other in English.)
    - unsupp0rted 3y ago
      Over the years I've been able to reduce my sorries by 50% ~ 75% by making a conscious effort. I've also taught myself how to stop signing off emails with "Thanks," when I'm not expressing gratitude.
      - consumer451 3y ago
        I would love to get out of that habit as well. What are you signing your emails with in those cases? Just: - Name ?
yieldcrv 3y ago
funny, this reads like my experience with some women in tech so I guess some inroads in representation have been achieved, to make products that apologize for no reason
RockRobotRock 3y ago
It's just like me fr

keepamovin 3y ago

I've also asked it repeatedly to not apologize, but if it must, at least apologize correctly. As in "don't apologize for other people's feelings, or your assumptions about their feelings" (the old, "I'm sorry if you're offended" gaff et al). With often similarly hilarious and recursive results! I also try to get it to own its mistakes. Rather than the vague "Apologies for any confusion" (which suggests incorrectly and abusively that possibly the confusion is mine), I want it to say, "I'm sorry for my mistake", or not apologize at all. No apology is better than an incorrect one! When I started using it, I tried this a lot, but at this point, I just ignore its gaffs entirely.

FreshStart 3y ago
It gets even more interesting if you get it to Psychoanalyse aka Eliza itself. "why do you think you made that mistake? How do you feel about unclear distributed weights?"
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Lol! Thank you
- orhmeh09 3y ago
  Now that's adversarial!
  - abandonliberty 3y ago
    I connected ELIZA to a chat client in the 90s, forgot to turn it off, and someone had a 6 hour conversation with themselves. Their persistence was impressive, and I had no idea how to break the news to them. It ended our relationship. I think ELIZA was better at socializing than I.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Hahaha! I'm sorry to laugh at your misfortune, I'm sure it seems very much different to you, but to me: It's hilarious that you stopped communicating with this person because of the awkwardness of the "dramatic irony" that you knew they'd talked with a bot for hours but they didn't. Dude, you shoulda just told them! Hahaah. But thanks for the laugh, that's classic. Kind of tragic tho :.(
      - abandonliberty 3y ago
        I did, they didn't like me after that!

fnordpiglet 3y ago

I find instructing at the beginning to be brief, don’t provide redundant information, refrain from apologizing, etc helps a lot. Also regenerate any apology to remove it from context. Once you establish a context without apologies it reinforces.

Turskarama 3y ago

I strongly suspect the program that's apologising isn't the actual LLM itself, but a wrapper around it that does some initial checking of inputs and possibly modifies them before sending them to the actual LLM.

muzani 3y ago
Yeah, it doesn't apologize as much when going through the API.
- krisoft 3y ago
  Do you use the same prompting scheme when going through the API? (Not just your own inputs but the buts OpenAI prepends to them.)
  - muzani 3y ago
    "what's ligma" on ChatGPT, April 2023: `Ligma is a made-up term that originated as part of an internet joke or prank. When someone asks, "What's ligma?" the person who initiated the joke usually responds with a crude or inappropriate punchline. The purpose of the joke is to elicit a humorous or shocked reaction from the person asking the question. As an Al language model, my goal is to provide accurate information and assistance. If you have any serious questions, please don't hesitate to ask, and I'll be glad to help.` "who is ligma", today, Aug 2023: `As of my last update in September 2021, "Ligma" is not a person; it's an internet meme or joke. The term "Ligma" is a play on words and a form of trolling. When someone asks, "What is Ligma?" the usual response is, "Ligma balls." It's a childish and deliberately provocative joke aimed at getting people to say the punchline without realizing what they are actually saying. This kind of joke is typical of internet culture, where memes and trolling are prevalent. However, as with any internet meme, its popularity and relevance can change over time, so it's possible that the context or significance of "Ligma" may have evolved or faded away since my last update in September 2021.` "who is ligma" over API: `Ligma is a fictional character or concept that originated as an internet meme. It is often used as a prank or joke to trick someone into asking "What is ligma?" The response is typically "Ligma balls," which is a play on words and a vulgar joke.` In April, it was very difficult to get it to explain the joke, and it will just outright refuse to do so, insisting that it can't say crude and inappropriate things. Recently, it's been more open to using the actual vulgarity to explain the phrase. The base API without any steering `system` prompt tends to exclude all the stuff ChatGPT was trained with, such as proposing a solution or apologising for using profanity or apologising for being an AI.

madaxe_again 3y ago

That looks just like a normal conversation between my wife and me - I am British, of the class that apologises to lamp posts after walking into them, and she is not.

aix1 3y ago
Lol - my (Canadian) better half is exactly like this: can't stop apologising, including for apologising too much. Drives me nuts. :)
- madaxe_again 3y ago
  “Sorry” is a phatic expression in several anglosphere cultures. You don’t say it because you’re sorry, you say it because that’s what you say when you… do anything. Sorry, would you like some breakfast? Here it is, sorry about that. It drives her acutely nuts. I really try not to, and I frequently end up chewing my tongue while the word struggles to escape my lips like a mad cat in a bag, and then it slips out two minutes later anyway.
  - aix1 3y ago
    From what I can tell, what you're describing is exactly my partner's experience: she really can't help it. Try as she might, it comes out anyway. I should learn to better control how I react. (As it happens, she is francophone, but I'm not sure it's relevant as we mostly talk to each other in English.)
  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    Over the years I've been able to reduce my sorries by 50% ~ 75% by making a conscious effort. I've also taught myself how to stop signing off emails with "Thanks," when I'm not expressing gratitude.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      I would love to get out of that habit as well. What are you signing your emails with in those cases? Just: - Name ?

yieldcrv 3y ago

funny, this reads like my experience with some women in tech so I guess some inroads in representation have been achieved, to make products that apologize for no reason

RockRobotRock 3y ago

It's just like me fr