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Cannabis has an inverse relationship between potency and health as alcohol. Drinking a dozen beers is (marginally) less dangerous than a dozen shots, because it

Cannabis has an inverse relationship between potency and health as alcohol. Drinking a dozen beers is (marginally) less dangerous than a dozen shots, because it takes longer to process and alcohol is a toxin. THC isn't a toxin. The smaller amount you inhale, of smoke or vapor, the better. I'll take a puff of some 90+% vapor any day over having to smoke an entire joint for the same effect. What we need is more accurate vapor delivery devices that can meter better.

TylerE 3y ago
Disagree. Those 12 beers contain a vast amount of carbs that will not be in the liquor. Now, sure, if you slam 12 shots of Cuervo back to back you're going to have a bad time - 12 shots is an entire bottle if you're actually getting full pours. But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects.
- bhelkey 3y ago
  > But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects. Their point is that it is much easier socially to sip a beer slowly over an hour than it is to sip a shot over that same hour.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    I see zero in the GP about social effects. Their comment is addressing (alleged) health concerns and form of consumption.
  - sublinear 3y ago
    Hah I've known a few people to sip shots at the bar. They don't get shunned for it. It just means people don't buy them a shot. Also most people who take shots aren't trying to get wasted. Drinking a shot the normal way every half hour to an hour alongside always having a beer to sip until done for the night is fairly standard. e.g. about 6 beers and 3 shots over the course of 2 to 4 hours.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      And of course there are plenty of zero-cal mixers (like seltzer water) that you can add to the liquor and make it as sippable as you want. That's the real play... decent gin, soda water, maybe a splash of lime juice, served on ice in a pint glass (usually ordered as a double or else it's too watery). You up with something as sippable as beer, with fewer calories and zero added sugar. (except a little from the lime, but lime doesn't have that much by fruit standards). PS: Shot glasses are for college students. A glencairn (good luck...) or a rocks glass are far better. Much of the taste comes from smell so you really wanna get those vapors up your nose... at least if you're drinking something worth drinking, and not just trying to get plastered on the cheap.
      - tracker1 3y ago
        When I was younger, I'd have about a shot an hour or so, and simply drink water or soda in between (4 drinks over the night). I'd meet with a group of people pretty regularly for Karaoke night at a local bar. Doing so, I could pretty much go the night without getting drunk (6'1", 280# at the time). In my own experience, when it's social activity, you generally won't be shunned for not drinking as long as you are participating, and aren't talking down to those that are.
    - _AzMoo 3y ago
      All experiences differ of course, but I am going to be wasted if I drink 6 beers and 3 shots over 4 hours. The same volume over 2 hours would probably end up sending me to bed.
    - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
      Are these UK shots or US shots? A shot in the US is almost twice as much as a shot in England (1.5oz or 44 mL vs the 25mL shots in England). In California, 6 beers (typical beers averaging 6% abv) + 3 shots (5.5oz of hard alcohol) over 2-4 hours would be straight up alcoholic levels of consumption.
    - Nursie 3y ago
      > 6 beers and 3 shots over the course of 2 to 4 hours. Over the course of two hours, that's pretty wasted. Depending on the beer, that might be your entire weekly recommended alcohol intake in two hours.
arthurbrown 3y ago
Not sure why edibles are routinely disregarded in many of these discussions. They seem like such an obvious answer
- voltaireodactyl 3y ago
  Inconsistency of dosing has, at least in the past, been a significant concern — especially with regard to medicinal use. Doctors for a long time preferred herb vaporizers (and may still) because it’s frankly just the best way to accurately gauge and dose.
  - lumost 3y ago
    Regulation has vastly improved the situation for edibles. You can generally get accurate dosages with precise mixtures in any form factor you desire. However different states have diferring regulation.
  - leptons 3y ago
    Except vaporizing/smoking gives wildly different results depending on the type of plant and its potency. One puff can either do not much or send you spinning, and your supposed tolerance may not even matter. The flower you smoke looks the same no matter if it has 5% THC or 35% THC, so gauging the potency of inhaled THC is practically impossible. Edibles are very consistent, at least today they are. The problem with them is that people are stupid and don't know how to find the right dose responsibly. They take a gummy, it tastes pretty good, and then after 15 or 20 minutes they don't feel anything so they take another, because yum, it tastes like candy so why not. Then it starts to kick in after 30 or 40 minutes and it's double the dose so they feel nauseated and sick. The best way to gauge the effects of an edible dose is to take the edible on an empty stomach, wait about 20 minutes, then eat a meal, and do not take a second dose. After eating your metabolism will get that dose into your blood stream right quick and before you're done with the meal you will definitely be feeling the full effect if you took enough. And if you don't feel much, then the dose is too low. Try again tomorrow. Don't double up the dose in the same sitting, because then you're really not getting an accurate result. Take maybe 1/3 more the next day, try again. If it's still not enough then the next day try a little more. When you find the right dose, then stick to it.
blueprint 3y ago
mark my words.. vapor cartridges are probably way more dangerous to lungs than smoke
- jack_pp 3y ago
  Idk about cannabis but I hear this all the time with cigarettes vs vaping and I just know it's a bunch of FUD. I can not smoke cigarettes, never liked them, always got headaches from them. With vaping quality liquid I have no issues and I'm a heavy user. Not saying it's good for you but claiming it is worse or the same as literal smoke is just wrong
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    I won’t argue thar vaping is worse, but I will say that having less immediate discomfort at the time of use is not a solid basis for concluding it is not.
  - blueprint 3y ago
    I'm talking about cartridges, which often throw chunks of superhot oil onto the lungs. let's wait for the research in 20 years that says it's also terrible.
    - soylentcola 3y ago
      Not sure how cannabis vapes work, but for the "I enjoy and/or am addicted to nicotine, but would rather not inhale CO, tars, particulates, etc" type, if you are vaping any oils, you're doing something wrong. That sort of vape liquid is nicotine in a suspension of food/medical grade PG/VG and likely some small bit of flavoring in the same. It's essentially a tiny version of the fog machines that blast out vapor in nightclubs.
      - blueprint 3y ago
        correct. yet they're still being sold en masse.
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bitcharmer 3y ago
> Drinking a dozen beers is (marginally) less dangerous than a dozen shots It's easy to drink 12 shots in succession, but it's very hard to take 12 beers in a reasonably comparable amount of time. This is not a good comparison. It's obviously much easier to poison yourself with strong alcohol.
DANmode 3y ago
THC is absolutely considered a toxin by your body, as are any byproducts being released by your vape, unless you're really, really lucky. Not anti in any way, so please don't jump at me without looking first.

TylerE 3y ago

Disagree. Those 12 beers contain a vast amount of carbs that will not be in the liquor. Now, sure, if you slam 12 shots of Cuervo back to back you're going to have a bad time - 12 shots is an entire bottle if you're actually getting full pours. But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects.

bhelkey 3y ago
> But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects. Their point is that it is much easier socially to sip a beer slowly over an hour than it is to sip a shot over that same hour.
- TylerE 3y ago
  I see zero in the GP about social effects. Their comment is addressing (alleged) health concerns and form of consumption.
- sublinear 3y ago
  Hah I've known a few people to sip shots at the bar. They don't get shunned for it. It just means people don't buy them a shot. Also most people who take shots aren't trying to get wasted. Drinking a shot the normal way every half hour to an hour alongside always having a beer to sip until done for the night is fairly standard. e.g. about 6 beers and 3 shots over the course of 2 to 4 hours.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    And of course there are plenty of zero-cal mixers (like seltzer water) that you can add to the liquor and make it as sippable as you want. That's the real play... decent gin, soda water, maybe a splash of lime juice, served on ice in a pint glass (usually ordered as a double or else it's too watery). You up with something as sippable as beer, with fewer calories and zero added sugar. (except a little from the lime, but lime doesn't have that much by fruit standards). PS: Shot glasses are for college students. A glencairn (good luck...) or a rocks glass are far better. Much of the taste comes from smell so you really wanna get those vapors up your nose... at least if you're drinking something worth drinking, and not just trying to get plastered on the cheap.
    - tracker1 3y ago
      When I was younger, I'd have about a shot an hour or so, and simply drink water or soda in between (4 drinks over the night). I'd meet with a group of people pretty regularly for Karaoke night at a local bar. Doing so, I could pretty much go the night without getting drunk (6'1", 280# at the time). In my own experience, when it's social activity, you generally won't be shunned for not drinking as long as you are participating, and aren't talking down to those that are.
  - _AzMoo 3y ago
    All experiences differ of course, but I am going to be wasted if I drink 6 beers and 3 shots over 4 hours. The same volume over 2 hours would probably end up sending me to bed.
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
    Are these UK shots or US shots? A shot in the US is almost twice as much as a shot in England (1.5oz or 44 mL vs the 25mL shots in England). In California, 6 beers (typical beers averaging 6% abv) + 3 shots (5.5oz of hard alcohol) over 2-4 hours would be straight up alcoholic levels of consumption.
  - Nursie 3y ago
    > 6 beers and 3 shots over the course of 2 to 4 hours. Over the course of two hours, that's pretty wasted. Depending on the beer, that might be your entire weekly recommended alcohol intake in two hours.

arthurbrown 3y ago

Not sure why edibles are routinely disregarded in many of these discussions. They seem like such an obvious answer

voltaireodactyl 3y ago
Inconsistency of dosing has, at least in the past, been a significant concern — especially with regard to medicinal use. Doctors for a long time preferred herb vaporizers (and may still) because it’s frankly just the best way to accurately gauge and dose.
- lumost 3y ago
  Regulation has vastly improved the situation for edibles. You can generally get accurate dosages with precise mixtures in any form factor you desire. However different states have diferring regulation.
- leptons 3y ago
  Except vaporizing/smoking gives wildly different results depending on the type of plant and its potency. One puff can either do not much or send you spinning, and your supposed tolerance may not even matter. The flower you smoke looks the same no matter if it has 5% THC or 35% THC, so gauging the potency of inhaled THC is practically impossible. Edibles are very consistent, at least today they are. The problem with them is that people are stupid and don't know how to find the right dose responsibly. They take a gummy, it tastes pretty good, and then after 15 or 20 minutes they don't feel anything so they take another, because yum, it tastes like candy so why not. Then it starts to kick in after 30 or 40 minutes and it's double the dose so they feel nauseated and sick. The best way to gauge the effects of an edible dose is to take the edible on an empty stomach, wait about 20 minutes, then eat a meal, and do not take a second dose. After eating your metabolism will get that dose into your blood stream right quick and before you're done with the meal you will definitely be feeling the full effect if you took enough. And if you don't feel much, then the dose is too low. Try again tomorrow. Don't double up the dose in the same sitting, because then you're really not getting an accurate result. Take maybe 1/3 more the next day, try again. If it's still not enough then the next day try a little more. When you find the right dose, then stick to it.

blueprint 3y ago

mark my words.. vapor cartridges are probably way more dangerous to lungs than smoke

jack_pp 3y ago
Idk about cannabis but I hear this all the time with cigarettes vs vaping and I just know it's a bunch of FUD. I can not smoke cigarettes, never liked them, always got headaches from them. With vaping quality liquid I have no issues and I'm a heavy user. Not saying it's good for you but claiming it is worse or the same as literal smoke is just wrong
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  I won’t argue thar vaping is worse, but I will say that having less immediate discomfort at the time of use is not a solid basis for concluding it is not.
- blueprint 3y ago
  I'm talking about cartridges, which often throw chunks of superhot oil onto the lungs. let's wait for the research in 20 years that says it's also terrible.
  - soylentcola 3y ago
    Not sure how cannabis vapes work, but for the "I enjoy and/or am addicted to nicotine, but would rather not inhale CO, tars, particulates, etc" type, if you are vaping any oils, you're doing something wrong. That sort of vape liquid is nicotine in a suspension of food/medical grade PG/VG and likely some small bit of flavoring in the same. It's essentially a tiny version of the fog machines that blast out vapor in nightclubs.
    - blueprint 3y ago
      correct. yet they're still being sold en masse.
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bitcharmer 3y ago

> Drinking a dozen beers is (marginally) less dangerous than a dozen shots It's easy to drink 12 shots in succession, but it's very hard to take 12 beers in a reasonably comparable amount of time. This is not a good comparison. It's obviously much easier to poison yourself with strong alcohol.

DANmode 3y ago

THC is absolutely considered a toxin by your body, as are any byproducts being released by your vape, unless you're really, really lucky. Not anti in any way, so please don't jump at me without looking first.