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HN is completely moronic about cheating in multiplayer. I seriously can't believe that people here think it's ok. Absolutely disgusting that you're getting down

by Kiro 3y ago

HN is completely moronic about cheating in multiplayer. I seriously can't believe that people here think it's ok. Absolutely disgusting that you're getting downvoted.

bob1029 3y ago
I am honestly not sure that is the reason for the downvote but I don't really give a shit. HN is a weird place. In past attempts to discuss this, the conversation was typically driven into "if it can't be perfect, why even try" kinds of rhetoric. The primary criticism being that you can still use some sort of vision AI/robot to cheat to some degree. My counterargument is that there exist systems beyond deterministic DRM approaches that can be blended in to make it effectively perfect for all practical purposes. Statistical analysis (aka you might be cheating) combined with dynamic active canaries (i.e. fake, 2-frame targets you bait the bot into aiming at) can solve the problem really well. You could put statistical bounds around the likelihood of fair play that look like IBM mainframe uptime figures. The only other reasons I'd expect downvotes: Extreme principled ideologies (aka no DRM ever no matter what I don't care). Or, those who are actually cheating at video games and can't imagine a world where they'd be forced to bust their ass to get ahead at something.
- orwin 3y ago
  Not all of us live in cities with fiber connexions. This is a very first-world, urban take. That's just another idea to exclude rural kids, and I shouldn't downvote for this, but I sometimes am tired of how much we are treated as second class citizens. I'm now in a big city (70kcapita) but I still have most family and friends in much smaller country villages and they already feel they are ignored. Once again HN prove them right. Also I did set up VNCs (w/o clipboards) for datasec when I worked at a PAAS. Low refresh rates and low res (it was basically spyder/Hadoop web page, and terminal commands to import data), it was unusable when I worked from my parents house or when I visited friends in deep Brittany.
  - bob1029 3y ago
    Have you ever heard of this thing called starlink? Are we going to pretend like gbps-class connectivity is not going to saturate every last square inch of this planet before the decade is out?

by Kiro 3y ago

HN is completely moronic about cheating in multiplayer. I seriously can't believe that people here think it's ok. Absolutely disgusting that you're getting downvoted.

bob1029 3y ago

I am honestly not sure that is the reason for the downvote but I don't really give a shit. HN is a weird place. In past attempts to discuss this, the conversation was typically driven into "if it can't be perfect, why even try" kinds of rhetoric. The primary criticism being that you can still use some sort of vision AI/robot to cheat to some degree. My counterargument is that there exist systems beyond deterministic DRM approaches that can be blended in to make it effectively perfect for all practical purposes. Statistical analysis (aka you might be cheating) combined with dynamic active canaries (i.e. fake, 2-frame targets you bait the bot into aiming at) can solve the problem really well. You could put statistical bounds around the likelihood of fair play that look like IBM mainframe uptime figures. The only other reasons I'd expect downvotes: Extreme principled ideologies (aka no DRM ever no matter what I don't care). Or, those who are actually cheating at video games and can't imagine a world where they'd be forced to bust their ass to get ahead at something.

orwin 3y ago
Not all of us live in cities with fiber connexions. This is a very first-world, urban take. That's just another idea to exclude rural kids, and I shouldn't downvote for this, but I sometimes am tired of how much we are treated as second class citizens. I'm now in a big city (70kcapita) but I still have most family and friends in much smaller country villages and they already feel they are ignored. Once again HN prove them right. Also I did set up VNCs (w/o clipboards) for datasec when I worked at a PAAS. Low refresh rates and low res (it was basically spyder/Hadoop web page, and terminal commands to import data), it was unusable when I worked from my parents house or when I visited friends in deep Brittany.
- bob1029 3y ago
  Have you ever heard of this thing called starlink? Are we going to pretend like gbps-class connectivity is not going to saturate every last square inch of this planet before the decade is out?