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As it turns out, HN is not your office and HR isn’t here to “get involved.”. Thankfully. I would agree there is a line, but disagree that the original poster s

As it turns out, HN is not your office and HR isn’t here to “get involved.”. Thankfully. I would agree there is a line, but disagree that the original poster stepped over it. Disagreement, even vigorous disagreement is important. Calling out bad technical decisions is important. Calling out oversensitive people who want to censor online discourse to their personal tastes is also important.

soraminazuki 3y ago
If criticism is "censorship," you are very much censoring me too. FYI I didn't ask anyone's post to be taken down. Furthermore, ad hominem attacks have nothing to do with "calling out bad technical decisions."
- marcus0x62 3y ago
  Now, that is a ridiculous take. By your definition, censorious people have to describe themselves as such? The rest of us use "censor" as a term to describe the action of others.
  - soraminazuki 3y ago
    No, to censor means to remove speech and I have never defined it any other way. Calling out abuse for what it is hardly fits that definition. BTW go take my words verbatim and use it against me if my actions are genuinely hypocritical. But to do that for my actions you made up is abusive and makes you look bad.
    - marcus0x62 3y ago
      Have a nice day.
camgunz 3y ago
> As it turns out, HN is not your office Fair, but I'd hold HN to a higher standard. We're peers and we choose to be here. We should treat each other with kindness and respect, not contempt. I read a fair amount of contempt in OP's characterization, and I hold that separate from respectful criticism. I looked up a thread about this from 2020 [0] and it actually seems well reasoned, calm, and respectful. No one's slinging around words like "faulty", "broken", or "harm" because those tend to insult people and derail technical discussions. And FWIW, that's why I would get managers involved if this happened in the workplace. Calling people's work "broken by design" or "harmful" is how to start an argument, not how to solve a problem. If someone's acting this way, there's no way things are going well. [0]: https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/04/17/7 https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/04/17/7

soraminazuki 3y ago

If criticism is "censorship," you are very much censoring me too. FYI I didn't ask anyone's post to be taken down. Furthermore, ad hominem attacks have nothing to do with "calling out bad technical decisions."

marcus0x62 3y ago
Now, that is a ridiculous take. By your definition, censorious people have to describe themselves as such? The rest of us use "censor" as a term to describe the action of others.
- soraminazuki 3y ago
  No, to censor means to remove speech and I have never defined it any other way. Calling out abuse for what it is hardly fits that definition. BTW go take my words verbatim and use it against me if my actions are genuinely hypocritical. But to do that for my actions you made up is abusive and makes you look bad.
  - marcus0x62 3y ago
    Have a nice day.

camgunz 3y ago

> As it turns out, HN is not your office Fair, but I'd hold HN to a higher standard. We're peers and we choose to be here. We should treat each other with kindness and respect, not contempt. I read a fair amount of contempt in OP's characterization, and I hold that separate from respectful criticism. I looked up a thread about this from 2020 [0] and it actually seems well reasoned, calm, and respectful. No one's slinging around words like "faulty", "broken", or "harm" because those tend to insult people and derail technical discussions. And FWIW, that's why I would get managers involved if this happened in the workplace. Calling people's work "broken by design" or "harmful" is how to start an argument, not how to solve a problem. If someone's acting this way, there's no way things are going well. [0]: https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/04/17/7 https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/04/17/7