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I hate to be too paranoid or nutty about these things, but I know several dozen men who've died of sudden heart failure in the last two or three years. And only

I hate to be too paranoid or nutty about these things, but I know several dozen men who've died of sudden heart failure in the last two or three years. And only one woman. I used to think that women outlived men on average because men did more physical labor that was both more wearing and more dangerous. Now I think there's something else going on.

sudosysgen 3y ago
Women outlive men for biological reasons. Women are less susceptible to many genetic disorders (two sexual chromosomes helps), they are smaller on average, less susceptible to heart disease and high cholesterol (a side effect of estrogen), less immune disorders and generally better outcomes against infectious diseases, and are less likely to suffer from addiction.
dekhn 3y ago
Isn't heart failure one of the largest causes of death (by any cause)?
- _2z1p 3y ago
  Not in otherwise healthy men in their 20s and 30s.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    Depends. Are those men athletes? https://www.healthline.com/health/athletes-dying-of-heart-attacks https://www.healthline.com/health/athletes-dying-of-heart-at...
    - nateb2022 3y ago
      See Daniels CJ, Rajpal S, Greenshields JT, et al. Prevalence of Clinical and Subclinical Myocarditis in Competitive Athletes With Recent SARS-CoV-2 Infection: Results From the Big Ten COVID-19 Cardiac Registry. JAMA Cardiol. 2021;6(9):1078–1087. doi:10.1001/jamacardio.2021.2065 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...)
  - dekhn 3y ago
    Sure, I would expect men in that age have several other risk-associated causes of death which are higher. Anyway, I invoke the fallacy of base rates.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  Right? I'd be more concerned if the majority of one's acquaintances died from something that's not heart failure.
ost-ing 3y ago
> Several dozen men who’ve died of sudden heart failure Thats a massive amount. I had pericarditis, thankfully recovered. I knew a handful of people who also had the same, or myocarditis, none of which died. A friend of mine had to has his heart “drained” of fluid, which was probably the worst case. Vaccination was sold as being completely safe and was irrefutably coerced in Australia - stripping jobs from unvaccinated people (even if the job was a remote one). Who in the government is going to take responsibility for that? Probably nobody. And as a result I’ll never trust these institutions again.
- meghan_rain 3y ago
  > even if the job was a remote one amazing
- tomwilson 3y ago
  It just seems so incredibly unlikely to know a “handful” of people who had this unless you met them in the ER. And while I guess it’s mathematically possible, you have to know that it’s incredibly rare and essentially nobody else is in your situation. FWIW I know one total and barely know them it’s like a friend of a friend of a friend deal.
  - ciwolsey 3y ago
    Yeah why does this person know several dozen but I don't know of anyone? Clearly there's a major difference here.
tehwebguy 3y ago
Several dozen? Are you Solid Snake?

sudosysgen 3y ago

Women outlive men for biological reasons. Women are less susceptible to many genetic disorders (two sexual chromosomes helps), they are smaller on average, less susceptible to heart disease and high cholesterol (a side effect of estrogen), less immune disorders and generally better outcomes against infectious diseases, and are less likely to suffer from addiction.

dekhn 3y ago

Isn't heart failure one of the largest causes of death (by any cause)?

_2z1p 3y ago
Not in otherwise healthy men in their 20s and 30s.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  Depends. Are those men athletes? https://www.healthline.com/health/athletes-dying-of-heart-attacks https://www.healthline.com/health/athletes-dying-of-heart-at...
  - nateb2022 3y ago
    See Daniels CJ, Rajpal S, Greenshields JT, et al. Prevalence of Clinical and Subclinical Myocarditis in Competitive Athletes With Recent SARS-CoV-2 Infection: Results From the Big Ten COVID-19 Cardiac Registry. JAMA Cardiol. 2021;6(9):1078–1087. doi:10.1001/jamacardio.2021.2065 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...)
- dekhn 3y ago
  Sure, I would expect men in that age have several other risk-associated causes of death which are higher. Anyway, I invoke the fallacy of base rates.
yellowapple 3y ago
Right? I'd be more concerned if the majority of one's acquaintances died from something that's not heart failure.

ost-ing 3y ago

> Several dozen men who’ve died of sudden heart failure Thats a massive amount. I had pericarditis, thankfully recovered. I knew a handful of people who also had the same, or myocarditis, none of which died. A friend of mine had to has his heart “drained” of fluid, which was probably the worst case. Vaccination was sold as being completely safe and was irrefutably coerced in Australia - stripping jobs from unvaccinated people (even if the job was a remote one). Who in the government is going to take responsibility for that? Probably nobody. And as a result I’ll never trust these institutions again.

meghan_rain 3y ago
> even if the job was a remote one amazing
tomwilson 3y ago
It just seems so incredibly unlikely to know a “handful” of people who had this unless you met them in the ER. And while I guess it’s mathematically possible, you have to know that it’s incredibly rare and essentially nobody else is in your situation. FWIW I know one total and barely know them it’s like a friend of a friend of a friend deal.
- ciwolsey 3y ago
  Yeah why does this person know several dozen but I don't know of anyone? Clearly there's a major difference here.

tehwebguy 3y ago

Several dozen? Are you Solid Snake?