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That’s the gist of the whole “American experiment” thing, however history has shown that people are far more likely to double down, continue with what they’re d

by orev 3y ago

That’s the gist of the whole “American experiment” thing, however history has shown that people are far more likely to double down, continue with what they’re doing, and just blame “the other” (immigrants, minorities, liberals, etc.) as the reason it’s not working.

Supermancho 3y ago
Sometimes it works, even if it takes decades. Notably marijuana legalization has been spreading state by state.
- paulmd 3y ago
  Social issues are a gimmie since most of them don’t have a legitimate harm to the people who are most vocally against progress in the first place. They’re drummed-up issues to turn out votes, like the endless parade of wars on LGBTQ folks (first anti homosexual laws, then DADT, gay marriage, adoption, now trans issues, etc). And those have always been the kinds of sops that rulers love to throw out to the public since they don’t affect anything. The real issues are mostly financial, economic, or environmental justice issues that can’t be addressed by individual states. Even in the cases where it can be, like California air quality regs, it’s being eroded and rolled back anyway. But stuff like containing medical costs or single-payer medical/educational systems are not issues that can really be done by a state. The most you get is things like sales/property/income tax being shuffled around a bit, or californias bizarre prop 13.
  - Supermancho 3y ago
    > Even in the cases where it can be, like California air quality regs, it’s being eroded and rolled back anyway. That's a matter of timing. When they were enacted, they weren't being rolled back, they were being rolled out. Maybe it will catch on in 100 years. Hard to say it has no impact, when historians are able to point to the effects, when informing the future. The thinking that everything must be solved/corrected immediately is misplaced despair, rather than a philosophical flaw in the system.

by orev 3y ago

Supermancho 3y ago

Sometimes it works, even if it takes decades. Notably marijuana legalization has been spreading state by state.

paulmd 3y ago
Social issues are a gimmie since most of them don’t have a legitimate harm to the people who are most vocally against progress in the first place. They’re drummed-up issues to turn out votes, like the endless parade of wars on LGBTQ folks (first anti homosexual laws, then DADT, gay marriage, adoption, now trans issues, etc). And those have always been the kinds of sops that rulers love to throw out to the public since they don’t affect anything. The real issues are mostly financial, economic, or environmental justice issues that can’t be addressed by individual states. Even in the cases where it can be, like California air quality regs, it’s being eroded and rolled back anyway. But stuff like containing medical costs or single-payer medical/educational systems are not issues that can really be done by a state. The most you get is things like sales/property/income tax being shuffled around a bit, or californias bizarre prop 13.
- Supermancho 3y ago
  > Even in the cases where it can be, like California air quality regs, it’s being eroded and rolled back anyway. That's a matter of timing. When they were enacted, they weren't being rolled back, they were being rolled out. Maybe it will catch on in 100 years. Hard to say it has no impact, when historians are able to point to the effects, when informing the future. The thinking that everything must be solved/corrected immediately is misplaced despair, rather than a philosophical flaw in the system.