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> I’m not sure that extra money would actually mean anything In an ideal democracy it would. Its yet again misrepresented interests. And as an extend to my si
by throwawayqqq11 3y ago
> I’m not sure that extra money would actually mean anything
In an ideal democracy it would.
Its yet again misrepresented interests. And as an extend to my side note: The decades long shift of interest representation went from the public to the private sphere. The distrust in goverment may be justified, but its no counter argument, because the means of democratic participation is the only viable tool we have left.
FUD helps the parasites. Democracies cannot fail, only the people in it do.
- willcipriano 3y ago[flagged]
- throwawayqqq11 3y agoDo you know the last successful, citizen-only driven revolution? I would guess the french revolution ~1790 and it was a bloodbath. Today, the military technology has extended the power gap so much, that chopping heads off is no option for eg. north koreans without support from the outside. I think a violent revolution would only tighten the surveilance state.
- willcipriano 3y agoThe ven diagram of people who tell me that we can't possibly overthrow the government contrasted with people who say January 6th was a threat to democracy is essentially a circle.
- throwawayqqq11 3y agoDisagree x 2. overthrowing the goverment via democratic means is an option too. The circle of ppl seeing the bogaloos as idiots, preferably nowhere near any position of power is much larger. Very distorted protortions.
- realityking 3y agoI don‘t think those two statements are at odds at all. Consider that the Jan 6th insurrections were trying to keep the then current president, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, in power. That‘s about as far from a citizen‘s only revolution as it could be.
- mistermann 3y agoFFS, change the intent. What is it about this topic that renders people unable to think rationally? Imagine if software was written with this quality of thinking.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> Imagine if software was written with this quality of thinking. Windows 95 startup music plays
- mistermann 3y agoOne difference: Windows improved.
- camgunz 3y agoWe overthrow the government every two years.
- prepend 3y agoI guess it depends on what you mean by citizen-only and successful. How about Bolshevik? Or Cuba? Or Vietnam? Or China? If you consider the French Revolution successful (that didn’t work out so well) then I guess you can say the Sudan revolution was successful as we now have South Sudan. Or Libya was successful as Qaddafi is still dead.
- pravus 3y ago> Democracies cannot fail, only the people in it do. I think this is false if only because the premise of Democracy is so poorly defined. What are we voting on? Why? Who is "we"? Am I allowed to call a vote to strip you of your property? Am I allowed to call a vote to tell you what to eat? Am I allowed to call a vote to tell what to do or where to go? Why or why not? We have laws today that do all of these things. What does "failure" mean?
- mistermann 3y agoIs it not bizarre how the word "Democracy" throws the mind into chaos? I wonder if this is purely organic, because you see clearly delusional claims about it everywhere online nowadays.
- mcny 3y agoI believe I read some article how in Switzerland, a particularly insufferable woman applied for citizenship and the people voted no. I have no ax to grind in this story, I just thought it was pertinent given your questions. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/switzerland-citizenship-nancy-holten/513212/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/sw...