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Why the fox? Safari (WebKit) was always first to implement major privacy features, not Firefox.

by nuker 3y ago

jdsalaro 3y ago
> Why the fox? Perhaps because Firefox, and the Mozilla foundation as a whole, are one of the few projects not trying to milk you for data nor money? Might be a good enough reason in my book.
- PathfinderBot 3y ago
  > The detachment from reality I see in some HN readers is really mind boggling sometimes. I try to balance it out by flagging unconstructive comments, leaving it alone, and participating in more constructive threads instead. For reference, take the classic "don't feed the trolls" advice, in combination with Lobster's flag types: > For comments, these are: "Off-topic" for drifting into meta or topics that aren't related to the story; "Me-too" when a comment doesn't add new information, typically a single sentence of appreciation, agreement, or humor; "Troll" for derailing conversations into classic arguments, well-intentioned or not; "Unkind" when uncharitable, insulting, or dismissive; and "Spam" for promoting commercial services.
  - jdsalaro 3y ago
    I agree, thanks for raising this.
Keirmot 3y ago
Because Apple doesn’t support Windows nor Android
- pkulak 3y ago
  Nor Linux.
lrem 3y ago
Apple was also the first to ship attestations in Safari.
mananaysiempre 3y ago
Because Apple has already shipped[1] the (functional equivalent of) evil web-breaking thing that the author is depicting the fight against. [1] https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att..., discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494
Renaud 3y ago
Mmmm, maybe because the last version of Safari that could be installed on Windows was from 2012 and Windows is still the most used computer OS at home and at work? And when was the last version of Safari on Linux? And using Firefox on iOS or Android allows you to sync your settings and history etc and send tabs between devices (and you should be happy, it uses Webkit on iOS -at least for now- because Apple won't have it any other way).
tuyiown 3y ago
Mozilla come back from the early 2000’ came with a strong narrative about standard compliance, during the peak of ie6. They are the historical proponent of open web.
- nuker 3y ago
  Firefox is not a player in this battle, too small. WebKit is. If Apple one day stops forcing it on iOS, that would be the day the battle was lost, nothing would be stopping Google from taking it all.
  - tuyiown 3y ago
    I don't think apple is the right player either. In its current state, the future of the web is pretty grim to me.

Why the fox? Safari (WebKit) was always first to implement major privacy features, not Firefox.

by nuker 3y ago

Why the fox? Safari (WebKit) was always first to implement major privacy features, not Firefox.

> Why the fox? Perhaps because Firefox, and the Mozilla foundation as a whole, are one of the few projects not trying to milk you for data nor money? Might be a good enough reason in my book.

PathfinderBot 3y ago
> The detachment from reality I see in some HN readers is really mind boggling sometimes. I try to balance it out by flagging unconstructive comments, leaving it alone, and participating in more constructive threads instead. For reference, take the classic "don't feed the trolls" advice, in combination with Lobster's flag types: > For comments, these are: "Off-topic" for drifting into meta or topics that aren't related to the story; "Me-too" when a comment doesn't add new information, typically a single sentence of appreciation, agreement, or humor; "Troll" for derailing conversations into classic arguments, well-intentioned or not; "Unkind" when uncharitable, insulting, or dismissive; and "Spam" for promoting commercial services.
- jdsalaro 3y ago
  I agree, thanks for raising this.

Keirmot 3y ago

Because Apple doesn’t support Windows nor Android

pkulak 3y ago
Nor Linux.

lrem 3y ago

Apple was also the first to ship attestations in Safari.

mananaysiempre 3y ago

Because Apple has already shipped[1] the (functional equivalent of) evil web-breaking thing that the author is depicting the fight against. [1] https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att..., discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494

Renaud 3y ago

Mmmm, maybe because the last version of Safari that could be installed on Windows was from 2012 and Windows is still the most used computer OS at home and at work? And when was the last version of Safari on Linux? And using Firefox on iOS or Android allows you to sync your settings and history etc and send tabs between devices (and you should be happy, it uses Webkit on iOS -at least for now- because Apple won't have it any other way).

tuyiown 3y ago

Mozilla come back from the early 2000’ came with a strong narrative about standard compliance, during the peak of ie6. They are the historical proponent of open web.

nuker 3y ago
Firefox is not a player in this battle, too small. WebKit is. If Apple one day stops forcing it on iOS, that would be the day the battle was lost, nothing would be stopping Google from taking it all.
- tuyiown 3y ago
  I don't think apple is the right player either. In its current state, the future of the web is pretty grim to me.